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heruamon on 24 April 2010
kowenicki said:
Hus said:
There goes the whole it sales bad there casue its american.


the gaming market isnt the phone market.

 

 

Also, who are the Japanese smart phone makers?



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heruamon on 24 April 2010
kowenicki said:
heruamon said:
kowenicki said:
Hus said:
There goes the whole it sales bad there casue its american.


the gaming market isnt the phone market.

 

 

Also, who are the Japanese smart phone makers?


exactly... see my edit.

Anyoine tryint o tell me that the japanese gaming industry, japanese gamers and japanese gaming press isnt very skeptical and perhaps even biased againt the 360 is deluded. 

I dont blame them particularly, they have a recent history they are proud of in this area and are merely trying to protect it.

LOL...I'm sure Windows is probably the most popular OS in Japan...probably more than in the US...but people love to make generalizations.  Japanese companies didn't focus on the smartphone market, so it's not like their is much competition.  Apple really hit the sweet spot, by turning the smartphone market into a consumer product, over a business phone, but others are getting into the game, and it is going to get tougher...like it always does.  Look at the PS and PS2...who would have imagine that PS3 would now be in last place this gen...NOBODY, not even the most optimistic Xbox fans would.



"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."

- From By Schism Rent Asunder

KillerMan on 24 April 2010
heruamon said:
kowenicki said:
Hus said:
There goes the whole it sales bad there casue its american.


the gaming market isnt the phone market.

 

 

Also, who are the Japanese smart phone makers?

SonyEricsson comes to the mind.



justinian on 24 April 2010
heruamon said:
kowenicki said:
Hus said:
There goes the whole it sales bad there casue its american.


the gaming market isnt the phone market.

 

 

Also, who are the Japanese smart phone makers?

Lets see now. Last time I was there (little over a year or so ago) these were the top Japanese smartphone companies. I don't think any were released in the west.

1) Sharp- their touch screen phone is big in Japan.

2) Docomo - one of their models was a larger iphone "copy".

3) Emobile - the blackberry of Japan.

4) Hitachi - does smartphones.

Just because you never heard of them doesn't mean they don't exist.

This is the market apple is up against.

 

 

 



RVDondaPC on 24 April 2010

I'm sure the ford and GM cars are selling like hot cakes in Japan too...



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scottie on 24 April 2010
loves2splooge said:
Yeah this whole "Japanese are economic nationalists" mantra is bullshit. The Japanese buy what they want like mostly everybody else. Apple did a great job of making the Japanese want an iPhone and an iPod. The Xbox? Microsoft hasn't given the Japanese enough reasons to choose an Xbox over a Playstation or a Wii. Most of the popular franchises in Japan are on the Wii and Playstation. Those Japanese who own a Xbox 360 probably also own a PS3 (and a Wii too probably). But most gamers aren't willing to spend that much on their hobby. So unless Microsoft gives the Japanese a reason to choose the Xbox brand over the Playstation, the Xbox will remain in the domain of the niche hardcore Japanese gamer. Apple was able to convince the Japanese that an iPhone is better than a Sony Ericsson and an iPod is better than a Walkman (though Sony's portable media players are making a comeback over there these days apparently).

 

Agreed - this is what I've been telling people for a long time



justinian on 24 April 2010
theprof00 said:
wow guys check the OP.
This is some wicked spin, and it's hard to notice.
Here in America, we have a smart phone market.

There is no smart phone market in japan. Japanese phones that do all their crazy stuff are not called smart phones.
The "smart phone" market was invented by the people selling American smart phones in Japan, most likely Blackberries, Iphones, Droids etc.

The OP says they've only sold 2.3M iphones in a population of 127M people. Does that sound like 72% of the market? FYI Japanese consumers buy 30M cell phones a year.

Japanese phones have also carried digital tv since 2005 and email since 1999. Smart phone? What a joke.

Exactly, and who were the companies making these phones? Japanese. Yet some would have you believe that the Japanese don't have a strong smartphone manufacturing market.

These phones usually only work to their full potential on Japanese networks (and I think South Korean, but don't quote me on that) so are pretty useless in the west, hence not exported there.

Japanese smartphone manufacturers like KDDI and DoCoMo has been doing this stuff for years and along with Sharp dominated the Japanese smartphone market for a long time.



heruamon on 24 April 2010
justinian said:
heruamon said:
kowenicki said:
Hus said:
There goes the whole it sales bad there casue its american.


the gaming market isnt the phone market.

 

 

Also, who are the Japanese smart phone makers?

Lets see now. Last time I was there (little over a year or so ago) these were the top Japanese smartphone companies. I don't think any were released in the west.

1) Sharp- their touch screen phone is big in Japan.

2) Docomo - one of their models was a larger iphone "copy".

3) Emobile - the blackberry of Japan.

4) Hitachi - does smartphones.

Just because you never heard of them doesn't mean they don't exist.

This is the market apple is up against.

 

 

 


It's been about 8 months since I was last in Japan, but whenever i when to the electronic stores, I was always surprised by the lack of smartphone presence...so perhaps they didn't push it to the masses. 



"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."

- From By Schism Rent Asunder

Beuli2 on 24 April 2010

But....but.... I though that Japanese didn't buy outsidesr products, like the XBox!!!



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theprof00 on 24 April 2010
justinian said:
theprof00 said:
wow guys check the OP.
This is some wicked spin, and it's hard to notice.
Here in America, we have a smart phone market.

There is no smart phone market in japan. Japanese phones that do all their crazy stuff are not called smart phones.
The "smart phone" market was invented by the people selling American smart phones in Japan, most likely Blackberries, Iphones, Droids etc.

The OP says they've only sold 2.3M iphones in a population of 127M people. Does that sound like 72% of the market? FYI Japanese consumers buy 30M cell phones a year.

Japanese phones have also carried digital tv since 2005 and email since 1999. Smart phone? What a joke.

Exactly, and who were the companies making these phones? Japanese. Yet some would have you believe that the Japanese don't have a strong smartphone manufacturing market.

These phones usually only work to their full potential on Japanese networks (and I think South Korean, but don't quote me on that) so are pretty useless in the west, hence not exported there.

Japanese smartphone manufacturers like KDDI and DoCoMo has been doing this stuff for years and along with Sharp dominated the Japanese smartphone market for a long time.

famousringo actually responded to my mongoloid post pretty well. Apparently, those phones are called fature phones which are different in one major way. Feature phones have a set number of features they can do, and cannot upgrade. I'm sure the pro for this is that the phone doesn't require an OS, so can be cheaper, and the costs are probably all up front, rather than paid for by some 100$ service fee every month.