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guiduc said:
Tuganuno said:
Metallicube said:
Tuganuno said:
SmokedHostage said:
So... because Galaxy is not on the PS3, Nintendo ruined this gen for you?

Let's blame Nintendo for being a market success and own the Mario IP while we're at it.

Lol at that info manipulation. We all understood what he was trying to say - Nintendo's (overpriced) casual console has been pwning the PS3 and 360 for 4 years. Sony and MS are now more focused on the casual market because Nintendo is swimming in money, that in my honest opinion, (now ignore my PS3 tag) they don't deserve... at all.

There's no way to know if we would be better or worse without the Wii. Unless you have a time machine, go back to 2006 and burn Nintendo's headquarters. If you have one, please PM me, I have no idea where I left my wallet D:

Oh boo-freakedy hoo.. What the hell is that ever supposed to mean "they don't deserve it"? What did they break into Fort Knox or something for their money?

Have you ever heard of a little saying called "the customer is always right?" Nintendo obviously did SOMETHING right or they wouldn't be swimming in money.

I can just as easilly flip that around and say Sony didn't deserve their success in the PS1 and PS2 days.. See how dumb that argument sounds now?

Btw, the whole casual thing doesn't exist. It's a myth created by the industry to try and categorize gamers and give an excuse for the Wii's success. It is stupid branding and nothing else. People conisdered the NES a "casual console" back then too.

Nintendo doesn't deserve it, in my opinion, because: #1, it's too damn expensive. Ok this is kind of a fact, not an opinion. Nintendo has made ALOT of money on this generation with software, and hardware sales, and yet they the console's price is ridiculous. I know it's naive to think that Sony/MS don't want the same as Nintendo - money, money, money and more money - but an Arcade costs less than a Wii! An XBOX360, costs less than a console that in terms of hardware, is between this generation and the last one.

#2, if we compare the PS3/360/Wii software by metacritics score, we have... 86 games on the 360 with a score superior to 85, on the PS3 76, and 32 on the Wii. I know I shouldn't use metacritic like this - we can't simply define which console has the best software by the amount of games with a score higher to an x value, that would bestupid. But I'm not trying to do that, I'm just pointing out the lack of good games on the Wii.

Conclusion: Software and Hardware have deep flaws.

About that sentence on the PS1 and PS2... yeh you can say that. But you have nothing to support your theory. PS1 revolutionized the gaming industry - Third Party support - and the PS2 was a console that was good for casual and hardcore gaming. It has 150 games with a score superior to 85, and over 320 to 80.

And casual isn't a myth lol It's just an expression often used to define a certain type of gaming and/or gamers. Most of Nintendo's games look... well, here's the reason why I often say casual - if I say childish, people will just rage against me because they will assume that I'm saying that the Wii is for kids. Let's be reasonable please, you can't possibly compare the complexity of a MGS plot with a Mario's "Your princess is in another castle" - not saying one is better than the other just because of the plot, in fact, I'm not even comparing them because I simply can't. But if you ask me which one I'd prefer to play, between Mario Galaxy or MGS, now that's a completely different question.

Listen, or better yet read, don't take this too seriously. You can't expect to have everyone by your side, congratulating Nintendo for its success, 'cause some people simply think that MS or Sony should be on the first place, for the reasons I've listed above.

Dumb argument. Motion controls cost. That's why the Playstation move will cost 100$ more.

nonsense. SNES and NES had third party support before PS1. 

To be honest, that's a dumb counter-argument lol http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=3354 "Wii costs no more than 137.5$ to make" Notice that the link is one year old, so it's probably a bit cheaper now. But wait, how much does it cost at the moment? http://www.amazon.com/Wii-Nintendo/dp/B0009VXBAQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1271982876&sr=8-1 OH SNAP!

Sony used to lose how much per console? +/-150$? Poor Nintendo, they couldn't even give another controller in 2009.

Sony had the Eye Toy before the Wii was released. The difference is that Nintendo made a good use of the Motion Controller. Just like the Third Parties - Sony made it work well. Oh wait, I have another good example... Snes and Nes had TP support... exactly how the Wii has :p

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killeryoshis said:

Tuganuno said:
Lol at that info manipulation. We all understood what he was trying to say - Nintendo's (overpriced) casual console has been pwning the PS3 and 360 for 4 years. Sony and MS are now more focused on the casual market because Nintendo is swimming in money, that in my honest opinion, (now ignore my PS3 tag) they don't deserve... at all.


Its funny how people say how the wii is a over priced machine. When the HD twins are nouthing more but a PS2 in HD with better online and media features. <--- You call them overpriced?

Yes, as the matter of fact I do. Read my previous post and you'll understand what I'm saying.



SO... let me get this straight. The OP is crying because a system he doesn't even own has ruined this gen for him . WTF? If you don't even own it then just ignore it. If you are that bothered about the games for it then buy the damned thing! That's the only way you will get to play a Nintendo-owned IP this gen. How can a system you don't even own ruin a gen for you? You are basically upset because it has done so well... no?



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Tuganuno said:
guiduc said:
Tuganuno said:
Metallicube said:
Tuganuno said:
SmokedHostage said:
So... because Galaxy is not on the PS3, Nintendo ruined this gen for you?

Let's blame Nintendo for being a market success and own the Mario IP while we're at it.

Lol at that info manipulation. We all understood what he was trying to say - Nintendo's (overpriced) casual console has been pwning the PS3 and 360 for 4 years. Sony and MS are now more focused on the casual market because Nintendo is swimming in money, that in my honest opinion, (now ignore my PS3 tag) they don't deserve... at all.

There's no way to know if we would be better or worse without the Wii. Unless you have a time machine, go back to 2006 and burn Nintendo's headquarters. If you have one, please PM me, I have no idea where I left my wallet D:

Oh boo-freakedy hoo.. What the hell is that ever supposed to mean "they don't deserve it"? What did they break into Fort Knox or something for their money?

Have you ever heard of a little saying called "the customer is always right?" Nintendo obviously did SOMETHING right or they wouldn't be swimming in money.

I can just as easilly flip that around and say Sony didn't deserve their success in the PS1 and PS2 days.. See how dumb that argument sounds now?

Btw, the whole casual thing doesn't exist. It's a myth created by the industry to try and categorize gamers and give an excuse for the Wii's success. It is stupid branding and nothing else. People conisdered the NES a "casual console" back then too.

Nintendo doesn't deserve it, in my opinion, because: #1, it's too damn expensive. Ok this is kind of a fact, not an opinion. Nintendo has made ALOT of money on this generation with software, and hardware sales, and yet they the console's price is ridiculous. I know it's naive to think that Sony/MS don't want the same as Nintendo - money, money, money and more money - but an Arcade costs less than a Wii! An XBOX360, costs less than a console that in terms of hardware, is between this generation and the last one.

#2, if we compare the PS3/360/Wii software by metacritics score, we have... 86 games on the 360 with a score superior to 85, on the PS3 76, and 32 on the Wii. I know I shouldn't use metacritic like this - we can't simply define which console has the best software by the amount of games with a score higher to an x value, that would bestupid. But I'm not trying to do that, I'm just pointing out the lack of good games on the Wii.

Conclusion: Software and Hardware have deep flaws.

About that sentence on the PS1 and PS2... yeh you can say that. But you have nothing to support your theory. PS1 revolutionized the gaming industry - Third Party support - and the PS2 was a console that was good for casual and hardcore gaming. It has 150 games with a score superior to 85, and over 320 to 80.

And casual isn't a myth lol It's just an expression often used to define a certain type of gaming and/or gamers. Most of Nintendo's games look... well, here's the reason why I often say casual - if I say childish, people will just rage against me because they will assume that I'm saying that the Wii is for kids. Let's be reasonable please, you can't possibly compare the complexity of a MGS plot with a Mario's "Your princess is in another castle" - not saying one is better than the other just because of the plot, in fact, I'm not even comparing them because I simply can't. But if you ask me which one I'd prefer to play, between Mario Galaxy or MGS, now that's a completely different question.

Listen, or better yet read, don't take this too seriously. You can't expect to have everyone by your side, congratulating Nintendo for its success, 'cause some people simply think that MS or Sony should be on the first place, for the reasons I've listed above.

Dumb argument. Motion controls cost. That's why the Playstation move will cost 100$ more.

nonsense. SNES and NES had third party support before PS1. 

To be honest, that's a dumb counter-argument lol http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=3354 "Wii costs no more than 137.5$ to make" Notice that the link is one year old, so it's probably a bit cheaper now. But wait, how much does it cost at the moment? http://www.amazon.com/Wii-Nintendo/dp/B0009VXBAQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1271982876&sr=8-1 OH SNAP!

Sony used to lose how much per console? +/-150$? Poor Nintendo, they couldn't even give another controller in 2009.

Sony had the Eye Toy before the Wii was released. The difference is that Nintendo made a good use of the Motion Controller. Just like the Third Parties - Sony made it work well. Oh wait, I have another good example... Snes and Nes had TP support... exactly how the Wii has :p

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So because it costs 137.5$ per console they should low the price? You don't know the foundations of capitalism, my friend.

Why complaining on the Wii then? Every Nintendo console had poor third party support.



Tuganuno said:

To be honest, that's a dumb counter-argument lol http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=3354 "Wii costs no more than 137.5$ to make" Notice that the link is one year old, so it's probably a bit cheaper now. But wait, how much does it cost at the moment? http://www.amazon.com/Wii-Nintendo/dp/B0009VXBAQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1271982876&sr=8-1 OH SNAP!

Sony used to lose how much per console? +/-150$? Poor Nintendo, they couldn't even give another controller in 2009.

Sony had the Eye Toy before the Wii was released. The difference is that Nintendo made a good use of the Motion Controller. Just like the Third Parties - Sony made it work well. Oh wait, I have another good example... Snes and Nes had TP support... exactly how the Wii has :p

comparison

 

That's a stupid argument, Sony lose money on their consoles because they have other ventures to make up the lost cash it's part of their business model you think they'd release the PS3 as it is if they didn't have other ventures? They would of gone bankrupt long ago and the PS3 would of been no more, Nintendo have to make a profit as they're only in gaming, all you've proven with this post is that you know bugger all about business models and the respective companies as well as how the industry works as you also didn't factor the taxes added on to such hardware costs that they add in Japan. The eye toy is not the same concept as the Wiimote either so that's another dumb statement it's like comparing top gear and any random sitcom and saying top gear copied them because it's a TV show as well, Nintendo have been experimenting with MC long before the Eyetoy regardless with the Power Glove, Kirby Tilt and Tumble, one particular GBA game involving yoshi as well.

 



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Seriously, when will this elitist mentality end?

The same argument rehashed and replayed... smoke and mirrors seems to be the diet of some who think they can mask that they don't like Nintendo with some argument about how Nintendos business strategy have ruined their experience.

I for one am happy they have gone a different route, and am happy that both Microsoft and Sony are doing relatively well.

Different experiences are what this industry needs, as it leads to growth and evolution.



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Metallicube said:
Tuganuno said:

Nintendo doesn't deserve it, in my opinion, because: #1, it's too damn expensive. Ok this is kind of a fact, not an opinion. Nintendo has made ALOT of money on this generation with software, and hardware sales, and yet they the console's price is ridiculous. I know it's naive to think that Sony/MS don't want the same as Nintendo - money, money, money and more money - but an Arcade costs less than a Wii! An XBOX360, costs less than a console that in terms of hardware, is between this generation and the last one.

Ok, that's YOUR opinion. 70 million gamers obviously DON'T think it's too expensive. The arcade is cheaper then the Wii because it is in less demand than Wii. That is how capitalism works.. But no, it's ok for Sony to launch PS3 for $600 right?

#2, if we compare the PS3/360/Wii software by metacritics score, we have... 86 games on the 360 with a score superior to 85, on the PS3 76, and 32 on the Wii. I know I shouldn't use metacritic like this - we can't simply define which console has the best software by the amount of games with a score higher to an x value, that would bestupid. But I'm not trying to do that, I'm just pointing out the lack of good games on the Wii.

Oh god now that metacritic crap again. Like I said, quality is relative. And what most mainstream game reviewers view as quality meshes more with the HD consoles, which is why they have higher ranked games. Carnival games and Just Dance, even Wii Sports, were panned by most reviewers, yet are extremely successful. So obviously there are lots of people out there that find THOSE games to be quality, even if you and I may not. Reviews are opinion, not a true measure of quality. Sales are really a greater measure of quality because it shows the game is appealing to the most customers.

Conclusion: Software and Hardware have deep flaws.

About that sentence on the PS1 and PS2... yeh you can say that. But you have nothing to support your theory. PS1 revolutionized the gaming industry - Third Party support - and the PS2 was a console that was good for casual and hardcore gaming. It has 150 games with a score superior to 85, and over 320 to 80.

PS1 revolutionized gaming? How so? With CDs? How revolutionary. Sega CDs and Sega Saturn had CDs too. PS1 had lots of great games, don't get me wrong, but come on it didn't "revolutionize" jack. And so it got the most 3rd party support. Big deal. 3rd parties are not the end all be all of gaming.

And casual isn't a myth lol It's just an expression often used to define a certain type of gaming and/or gamers. Most of Nintendo's games look... well, here's the reason why I often say casual - if I say childish, people will just rage against me because they will assume that I'm saying that the Wii is for kids. Let's be reasonable please, you can't possibly compare the complexity of a MGS plot with a Mario's "Your princess is in another castle" - not saying one is better than the other just because of the plot, in fact, I'm not even comparing them because I simply can't. But if you ask me which one I'd prefer to play, between Mario Galaxy or MGS, now that's a completely different question.

Again, you're dealing with a relative idea. I happen to think Mario games are more "hardcore" than MGS and its hours of movie scenes.

Listen, or better yet read, don't take this too seriously. You can't expect to have everyone by your side, congratulating Nintendo for its success, 'cause some people simply think that MS or Sony should be on the first place, for the reasons I've listed above.

Don't worry, I won't lose sleep over it.

 

70 million gamers? Have you talked with each one of 'em? How do you know that an x% of those consumers don't have any kind of idea about hardware and therefor don't know if that's a good or a bad deal? And my brother bought one for 200€ in 2009. He wanted to get some of the Mario classics, but he wasn't very happy with price. Perhaps he wasn't the only one.

Sony launched the PS3 for 600$ but the production costs were superior to that number, so as you can see, one of the consoles is offering a pretty damn good deal, specially because it was and still is the cheapest blu-ray player. Ok now I sounded like a salesman... lol

About the PS1... are you serious? You knew exactly what I meant but you still had to be sarcastic at the beggining. You don't need to create a completely new concept to "revolutionize" the industry. And yes, it really revolutionized http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u9EmmPbyhQ&NR=1 Make a poll or something if you doubt that the community thinks that the PS1 was just "another" console.

Please explain why you think Mario is more hardcore than MGS, I honestly don't understand lol And the hours of movie scenes on MGS4 are incredible. If you've played the game and you were aware of the history, then you know what I mean.

 



You know why Nintendo has ruined this gen for me? Because they didn't make an exact copy of the PS3 or XBOX360 and so all we here is whining about how they suck.

Damn you Nintendo, why can't you be more like what all the complainers want you to be! Screw all the money and share of the industry!



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Kenryoku_Maxis said:
You know why Nintendo has ruined this gen for me? Because they didn't make an exact copy of the PS3 or XBOX360 and so all we here is whining about how they suck.

Damn you Nintendo, why can't you be more like what all the complainers want you to be! Screw all the money and share of the industry!

Yup, Nintendo should just go back to being third so they don't bother anyone. Best thing would be if they died and took all their games with them and thus eliminating 99% of video game related whining. It would be fantastic.



forest-spirit said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
You know why Nintendo has ruined this gen for me? Because they didn't make an exact copy of the PS3 or XBOX360 and so all we here is whining about how they suck.

Damn you Nintendo, why can't you be more like what all the complainers want you to be! Screw all the money and share of the industry!

Yup, Nintendo should just go back to being third so they don't bother anyone. Best thing would be if they died and took all their games with them and thus eliminating 99% of video game related whining. It would be fantastic.

Yep! No more Mario games! They weren't funny and amusing at all!