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Personally I don't care who copies who, as long as the idea is improved upon.



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PS3 was the first console to brag about full 1080p games?

and the HDMI thing.



Does it matter? What is the most important question is who does 'X' best



HD media drive.

Main problem with the whole thread is that the question posed by the OP is framed terribly.  Of course the console releasing first will have an advantage when the question is framed this way.

What DOES matter is who does "x" best, as Matzy said.



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mwjw696 said:

I swear to god that people on the internet get dumber by the minute.

 

RolStoppable   “Read this and you will feel enlightened.”

Please tell me you’re trolling… PLEASE!

 

XxXProphecyXxX  “How about installing games to HDD?”

Problem is you have to install on the PS3 for most games because of that lovely 2x blur-ray drive people love so much.

You mock this?  Really.  Especially when several games don't need to be installed.  FF13, UC2, and GoW3 come to mind.  The latter two being some of the most graphically demanding games on the PS3.  I mostly comes down to inexperience with working on the PS3, as it's just easier to access several assests from the HDD.  Though I don't mind a couple minutes install, since I have to do it all the time for PC games.  I guess you must hate playing games on the PC, as well.

 

CGI-Quality  “PS3 was the first HDMI-ready console. After its launch, the 360 added the function.”

You might be the only right answer I’ve seen in this entire thread… Congrats for what it’s worth.

 

Severance  “don't know about you but it actually looks more like the dualshock than the 360's controller”

.You’re kidding right, the wii controller (forget the right name for it) is a SNES controller with grips… the end.

I'm sorry, but anyone who can look at that picture (or a picture of any controller after the introduction of the DS) and say it was not inspired by it, is either in denial or just blind.  Why is there 2 alligned analog sticks?  I don't remember those on my SNES.  Or the 2 additional shoulder buttons?  Don't remeber those, either.  Or that Home button.  And I'm not going to blindly say that Sony wasn't inspired by the SNES controller, either.  Because it is obvious they were.  However, they improved upon it.  So much so, that everyone since has been using their design with just a few minor tweaks to the layout.

 

realill  “PS3 is a first console with Internet Browser and Wii is second.” 

O.o; silly kid you ever own a dreamcast? You know the best console ever made with web browser and the first console to support more than dial-up.

 

cura  “Neither MS or Nintendo made slim versions of their last gen consoles (i.e., xbox and GameCube respectively) whereas Sony did (i.e., ps2). If MS did it this gen, they'd quite clearly be taking a page out of Sony's book.“

You know Nintendo has a Slim model of the NES, and SNES right???? Yes Sony did it with both the PS1 and PS2. Sega never was good at slimming down there beasts… they just keep adding more junk on top of them. Kind of sad.

 

NicholasCage  “PS2 Eye Toy = Motion Controls this generation.”

Sorry cage wrong again it was called the Power Glove.

There have been motion control devices before the Power Glove.  One of the first, if not the first, was called Le Stick.  It was created by DataSoft Inc. in 1981 for the Atari 2600, ~8 years before the Power Glove.  And not that you said this, but I'm sure others on here believe it, Sony did not copy Nintendo.  Or vice versa.  They both seem to have picked up an interest in the tech around the same time, albiet using diferent tech.  I'm sure the success of EyeToy cemented Nintendo's advancement in the direction they were going, just as the Wii's huge success cemented Sony's continued efforts into developing their "wands."

 

phinch1   “Sony was first to add the "Home" button on the controller”

I think Microsoft call it a Guide Button but nice try… swing and a miss.

As I said before, I think the majority of all these accusations and arguments stem from a lack of knowledge in the history of gaming.  I mean most of the ideas used in gaming today are just concepts (whether improved upon or not) that usually stem from the early to mid 80's, even before Nintendo entered into the home console market.  People just need to get over this "copy" BS, cause they all do it.



The points about the Classic Controller are flawed and interestingly points out my one problem with the PS pad. If it was made to control mainly modern games then it probably would have been similar in design to the GC pad with the left stick where the D-pad is on the current classic controller as that would be the best ergonomic fit.

As it's used for playing mainly pre-N64 era games, which were mainly D-pad controlled, they stuck the D-pad in that prime ergonomic position as it's the D-pad that will get the most use, a side effect of which is to make it look like a dualshock.

So no, I don't think there's any copying or inspiration there, it's just a happy coincidence. Of course, even if there was, you'd be ignoring the fact that the PS pad evolved to what it is today from an imitator of the SNES pad...



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UncleScrooge said:
Xoj said:
scottie said:
Severance said:
richardhutnik said:

I am seeing the Wii getting a controller add on for the Wiimote that looks like the 360.  Outside of that, what else?  Can someone fill me in here?

 

don't know about you but it actually looks more like the dualshock than the 360's controller.

 

other than that, i can add some stuff that i rather call inspiration than a "Rip off!" to this thread but i choose not to because there are some people who will take it deeply and personally.

 

Correlation does not imply causation. The reason the classic controller looks like the dual shock is because they are both SNES pads with analogue sticks added on in the only place you could add them

 

Edit - stupid typo *brews more coffee*

it's not like nintendo was first either by your definition nintendo COPIED ATARI and therefore they have never innovated.

It's funny (no pun here... I know everyone sounds angry on forums ) that most people think the Wii Classic Controller is a copy of the Dual Shock.

It's true the very first Playstation controller was pretty much a SNES controller with two "grips" or wahtever you call that. Anyone remember that one? It didn't feature control sticks hehe

But I don't think Nintendo copied Atari. I mean the SNES controller is pretty much a NES controller with some additional buttons. At the time Nintendo released the NES Atari still used Joysticks, didn't they? (I never played Atari but I remember my neighbour saying the NES controller looked crazy because of the D-Pad)

 

And what is the definition of "copying" to most people here? Can you really "copy" a disc drive or a HDD? These were just the next logical steps. But you can copy the Wii remote (because it was so radically different than any controller before) or the NES controller (same here) because they really changed how the game was played. Literally You can't "copy" / "steal" technology technology that was pretty obvious to be used (in a sense of "if you use a HDD you copied me!") but you can copy the use of technology. So if there's something Nintendo really copied it would be the use of two analog sticks on a single controller. But Nintendo surely didn't copy "motion control" (= Eyetoy) because the Wii Remote is a completely different concept.

So basically if there is something the whole industry is looking forward to (3D graphics, HDD's, HD graphics, Blu-Ray) I wouldn't say you really "innovated" by using this and when someone else uses it, too he didn't really copy you.

But when you introduce something that really changes how the game is played, something that is different enough to be considered a radical change and then suddenly someone else follows you (like introducing a motion controller after using a completely different concept of a controller before) then he pretty much copied, yeah. This isn't "evil" or bad or something. If you happen to copy an idea and improve it drastically (like the Dual Shock did with its two analog sticks) you can still be proud of it.

But hey it's not like people would stop arguing hehe

 

atari made the first same console, nintendo jumped on the market with a simpler controller, and if u didnt know, first ps was a snes cd player.

then it's only the symmetrical dual analog, they put R2 L2 buttoms, home buttom,  and control legs in in almost the exact same place, also nintendo went for CDS after PS1 was succesful.  but nintendo was a jerk to 3d in the snes/n64, that ps2 got exclusivity out of the box, that moving into a cd based format in GC wasn't to succesful.

Dualshock2-3 dont even look similar to SNES controller now, thanks god.

though i don't agree it's copying, cuz sony developed their technology from ground up, and they are videos from 2003!!! to prove it.

that does thing natal, and wii mote doing now.

word innovation it's always badly used, especially when talking about using existing technology to use things different, something i see alot with nintendo and apple.

i dont see innovation it just using the tecnology, but going all the way to develop it. other than being just creative with it.



Xoj said:
scottie said:
Severance said:
richardhutnik said:

I am seeing the Wii getting a controller add on for the Wiimote that looks like the 360.  Outside of that, what else?  Can someone fill me in here?

 

don't know about you but it actually looks more like the dualshock than the 360's controller.

 

 

 

other than that, i can add some stuff that i rather call inspiration than a "Rip off!" to this thread but i choose not to because there are some people who will take it deeply and personally.

 

Correlation does not imply causation. The reason the classic controller looks like the dual shock is because they are both SNES pads with analogue sticks added on in the only place you could add them

 

Edit - stupid typo *brews more coffee*

it's not like nintendo was first either by your definition nintendo COPIED ATARI and therefore they have never innovated.

 

SNES - dpad on the left, 4 buttons arranged in a diamond on the right, start and select  in the middle, 2 shoulder buttons

PS1/2 - dpad on the left, 4 buttons arranged in a diamond on the right, start and select  in the middle, analogue sticks below the dpad and 4 buttons, 4 shoulder buttons 

Classic controller/ps3 - dpad on the left, 4 buttons arranged in a diamond on the right, start, home and select  in the middle, analogue sticks below the dpad and 4 buttons, 4 shoulder buttons, motion in the case of PS3

 

Atari 2600 - 1 button, joystick

NES - 2 buttons, start select, d pad

 

How did Nintendo copy atari?



1. sexiness (wii, stolen from ps2)
2. Eyetoy (natal, stolen from ps2)
3. 3 (xbox"3"60, stolen from ps"3")
4. Marketshare
5. Deadly Premonition
6. Final Fantasy 13
7. GTA4
8. Princess (Bowser, stolen from Sony)
9. DVD storage
10. Arrogance?