ssj12 said: Ickalanda said: ssj12 said: Ickalanda said: lightbleeder said: ssj12 said: thanks for answering that part @NJ5 - the space will come in handy when we get to the super-HD levels (1440p+). Also it will be used for PC storage. Why do we need super-HD levels? Is the eye capable of noticing the difference of 1080p and 1440p on a 50" HDTV?? Actually the larger the TV the more noticeable the resolution and you can notice the difference on a 19" monitor for your PC so in the larger scale it will be even more noticeable. no, I figure the more pixels there are the smaller the details they can fit. Just like PC's. Remember original resolution was like 640 x 480 for a 15.4" screen. Now laptop screens that are 15.4 are up to 1680 x 1050. Its the same thing with a 52" TV the higher the resolution (and number od pixels) the more detail will be able to be put and will be noticable. Not sure if this was targeted at me but thats what I was talking about.  Because the guy said will you even be able to notice the difference on a 50" HD TV and I said well you can notice it on a PC Monitor and since a 50" TV is much larger than my 19" monitor the pixels will be bigger and so the pixels shrinking in size will be noticeable.  ya.. misread what you said..   could you imaging a TV with a 5k+ resolution? my god that would be beautiful.

remember though, the ps3 only has a 2x bd-rom drive, so movies that require over 72mbps a second will not be compatible with the ps3, so maybe 200gb blu-ray discs are a bad idea, for movies at least.

KBG29 said: I see no reason for this to be a big deal. Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, Hitatchi, and TDK will not sit around long before announcing they have accepted the 100GB discs. Blu-ray is the better format and their is no getting around it. A stalemate will not work as retail will not allow it. One of these formats has to become the standard, because their is not enough shelf space to have 2 versions of every film. To thouse that are questioning the nessecity of all of this room. Lord of the Rings: Return of the King was 34GB at 19Mb/s data rates when brodcast on HDTV. Blu-ray has data rates upto 48Mb/s so you would be looking at around 75GB to get that movie in Blu quality throught. I beleive that New Line is waiting for the 100GB Blu-ray to get the go ahead then they will announces the Trilogy in HD. As far as the video game sector goes, I have a strong feeling that FFXIII will be one of a few games this gen that is on a 100GB Blu-ray disc.

Do you really believe that by next year (when FF13 comes out), 100gig would be possible given the already not-so-great yield of the 50gig?  Say they announce 100gb at ces, it normally takes 1 year to get fully approved, another half to year to even get something on it and even if they do start producing stuff on it, the cost is going to be so high due to the horrible yield that it's not even economical to sell.  the 100gb most likely is for data storage for PC.

 

Delusional said: KBG29 said: I see no reason for this to be a big deal. Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, Hitatchi, and TDK will not sit around long before announcing they have accepted the 100GB discs. Blu-ray is the better format and their is no getting around it. A stalemate will not work as retail will not allow it. One of these formats has to become the standard, because their is not enough shelf space to have 2 versions of every film. To thouse that are questioning the nessecity of all of this room. Lord of the Rings: Return of the King was 34GB at 19Mb/s data rates when brodcast on HDTV. Blu-ray has data rates upto 48Mb/s so you would be looking at around 75GB to get that movie in Blu quality throught. I beleive that New Line is waiting for the 100GB Blu-ray to get the go ahead then they will announces the Trilogy in HD. As far as the video game sector goes, I have a strong feeling that FFXIII will be one of a few games this gen that is on a 100GB Blu-ray disc. Do you really believe that by next year (when FF13 comes out), 100gig would be possible given the already not-so-great yield of the 50gig? Say they announce 100gb at ces, it normally takes 1 year to get fully approved, another half to year to even get something on it and even if they do start producing stuff on it, the cost is going to be so high due to the horrible yield that it's not even economical to sell. the 100gb most likely is for data storage for PC.

 you are a victim of Dave Vaughn i see, its not youre fault though, you probably read it at AVS.

steverhcp02 said: Summaro400ex said: Retailers wont allow there to be more than one standard? Then why are there more than one console per generation? There are 9 different madden 08's cause there is no standard system, Wii, Xbox, Xbox360, PS3, PS2, Gamecube, PSP DS, GBA. And retailers carried all versions of it. Like i said before 2 formats is by far the best situation for consumers. Multiple formats lead to increased competition thus better prices and promos. I really don't want to start a whole blu ray vs hd dvd arguement but claiming blu ray is the better format with nothing to back up your statement is useless. Each have their pros and cons. BD - Space in reality, not theory BD - Bitrate limits for uncompressed audio and video simaltaneous transfer BD - Studio support BD - CE support BD - Retail space HD DVD - interactive menus for home cinema HD DVD - Ethernet port standard on each player   Price has nothing to do with the products quality or content available on said product.....when discussing the merits of each format, BD blows HD DVD out of the water

Retail space??  Not recently, I've seen equal to more space for HD DVD at both Best Buy and Target over the last 2 weeks.

You also for the 2 biggest advantages for HD DVD that outwiegh all others for me.

HD DVD - no region coding!!!

HD DVD - no draconian BD+ DRM junk! 

steverhcp02 said: Delusional said: KBG29 said: I see no reason for this to be a big deal. Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, Hitatchi, and TDK will not sit around long before announcing they have accepted the 100GB discs. Blu-ray is the better format and their is no getting around it. A stalemate will not work as retail will not allow it. One of these formats has to become the standard, because their is not enough shelf space to have 2 versions of every film. To thouse that are questioning the nessecity of all of this room. Lord of the Rings: Return of the King was 34GB at 19Mb/s data rates when brodcast on HDTV. Blu-ray has data rates upto 48Mb/s so you would be looking at around 75GB to get that movie in Blu quality throught. I beleive that New Line is waiting for the 100GB Blu-ray to get the go ahead then they will announces the Trilogy in HD. As far as the video game sector goes, I have a strong feeling that FFXIII will be one of a few games this gen that is on a 100GB Blu-ray disc. Do you really believe that by next year (when FF13 comes out), 100gig would be possible given the already not-so-great yield of the 50gig? Say they announce 100gb at ces, it normally takes 1 year to get fully approved, another half to year to even get something on it and even if they do start producing stuff on it, the cost is going to be so high due to the horrible yield that it's not even economical to sell. the 100gb most likely is for data storage for PC.    you are a victim of Dave Vaughn i see, its not youre fault though, you probably read it at AVS.

Who the hell is dave vuahgn? i dont even go to avs, sorry.

ssj12 said: thanks for answering that part @NJ5 - the space will come in handy when we get to the super-HD levels (1440p+). Also it will be used for PC storage.

1440p would be roughly 33% larger than 1080p. If I'm not mistaken, 50GB should be adequate for even that kind of increase in data size. I don't think movies are even close to using up that size unless they're using an outdated codec (Casino Royale and the like). Given the future steps in compression technology, it should even become less of a problem. 

This has already been found to be false. Also the fact that 1 layer is 15GB should be proof enough. There are plenty of movies out right now that use 50GB BD discs, so I dont see how this would be news anyway. So in short, 3 layer HD-DVD is 45GB, 2 layer BD is 50GB. Theyre are already 200GB versions that have been produced, so I would imagine a 3rd layer wouldnt be hard to get BD up to 75GB when needed. But its not needed right now as 50GB is fine. All the HD-DVD fans can praise any news as good news all they like, it still doesnt stop the fact that HD-DVD is losing worse and worse every month, and wont be around for much longer.

The original topic was that there are new 51 gb discs for HD. How is this anything but good news for HD? And as most people seem to be saying 50 GB is fine enough for whats needed now.

@ steverhcp02
I've noticed recently that retails space is becoming more and more equal for the two, atleast around me. You are right about bitrate and i agree about studio support seeing as how there are some movies i really like that i cant get on HD, but price is what sold me, for just a little more than an upconverting dvd player i can get an HD DVD player that still upconverts DVDs. I needed a dvd player and this worked best for me. Multiple formats work in the favor of consumers. If there was only blu ray i wouldnt be getting into high def movies because i cant afford blu ray.

darendt said: This has already been found to be false. Also the fact that 1 layer is 15GB should be proof enough. There are plenty of movies out right now that use 50GB BD discs, so I dont see how this would be news anyway. So in short, 3 layer HD-DVD is 45GB, 2 layer BD is 50GB. Theyre are already 200GB versions that have been produced, so I would imagine a 3rd layer wouldnt be hard to get BD up to 75GB when needed. But its not needed right now as 50GB is fine. All the HD-DVD fans can praise any news as good news all they like, it still doesnt stop the fact that HD-DVD is losing worse and worse every month, and wont be around for much longer.

Em actually looks like HD DVD's gonna be aroud for a while.  At least till the agreement with Paramount expires.  I don't see how it could possibly die off before then.  And considering there is a blu ray in every PS3 HD DVD has done much much better than I would ever have expected.  Sales of Blu-Ray discs compared to DVD are still so insignificant that I can't see how HD DVD could die off anytime soon.  I think it's much more likely for both to die off within the next year than for only HD DVD to die off. 

It amazes me how the Blu Ray mob have this all sown up (then sown up again and then again) yet HD DVD continues to hang around. Two good articles to read the first discusses the Blu Ray european disc sales and the HD DVD player sales both recently announced.

HD DVD player sales top 750,000, Blu-ray claims lead in Europe

The other is a good article about what as a consumer you should be considering.

Which is More Consumer Friendly: HD DVD or Blu-ray?