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Wii:
Zelda - yes(though also on GC).
MP - yes.
Mario - yes.
SSB - no.

x360:
Halo - yes.
Mass effect aka KOTOR - yes.

Lost Odyssey - no.

PS3:
Uncharted - yes.
MGS - no.
GT - no.
FF - no.

KZ - no.

PS3 sold more then x360 in same period of time, though x360 had Geow, (overhyped system seller) and NO competition from next gen of consoles. PS3 started in Europe only by the end of March. PS3 costed 500-600$ more then half year.

And now, you still think, that PS3 won`t do AWESOME in 2008? LOL.
PS3 is UNSTOPTABLE. It`s only the begining, only the FIRST year.



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

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Could be that they will make the number 2 spot :D, but you see Sony doing all these things to catch up, while nintendo is just sitting back and doing nothing, will you imagine when they actually start doing something O_O



I think people are forgetting two things:

Momentum - A lot of system sales will depend on the public perception of if the system will be hot or not. If people think the PS3 will be dead last, then few will buy it, but if these games can give the system momentum, which I think they can in Japan, and maybe Europe, then the perception might change and people will invest in it expecting more greatness to come.

Library & future prospects - For those pointing out that the PS3's line up for 08 is better than the 360's, keep this in mind. People rarely get a system based on one or two games alone. They also consider what's currently available in the lineup, what are the hot new games coming out now and what's coming up in future. PS3 may have bigger games coming out in 08 than 360, but that doesn't change the fact that Halo, Bioshock, Mass Effect, GeOW, etc., are in the 360's library and will be affecting people's purchasing decisions.



 

Soriku said:
endurance said:
Soriku said:
Number 2? No.

Number one? BIG no.

Will they help? YES.

A lot? YES.

you never know they have a shot to become no2,though no1 will be a big maybe for ps3 and small no


 

So do you honestly think 3 games--no matter what they are--will push 8 mil+ PS3 units? It needs constant AAA games, not just 3. And if the PS3 continues going down the path it's going right now, do you think more AAA games will come? Did SSB, Mario, Zelda, etc. help the GC? YES. To #1? No. To #2? Another no. FF XIII, MGS4, KZ2, etc. will provide push, but not as extroadinarly as you think.

your right,but didnt wii sports help wii to no1



"""""""1. "xbox 360 doesnt have any good games next year, ps3 has them all so ps3 is gonna win!"
Bullshit, even if gears isnt released the 360 lineup is hardly weak, its rather very strong, that and easily could they fit a kotor to be announced at e3 or something""""""

==> for the moment, the 2008 line-up of the Xox360 is far from being impressive ... stop making speculation about games not even announced.

""""""""2. "ps3 has sold just as well without these AAA games so it will dominate when they arrive!"
Ever consider that the ps3 has also had 2 price cuts, bundled, made cheaper sku and more? wii hasnt done squat, and 360 cut its price by a meek 50 bucks, and 30 on its cheaper, hardly a 100 dollar price cut sony did TWICE.
If sony wants to keep bleeding let them.""""""""

==> PS3 has only 1 price cut and a new model. No 2 price cuts.
More important this price cut+new sku only appeared recently.
Xbox360 has only 1 price cut but u can get your console with 2 games inside just as the sold out PS3 starter pack for PAL.
Both consoles were supported this year but the PS3 is still too expensive :

basic Xbox360 ==> premium ==> 350$ +2 games
basic PS3 ==> 60gb ==> 500$, no games.

entry price Xbox360 : 270$
entry price PS3 : 400$

It is obvious that when the PS3 will reach the mass market, the sales will skyrocket.

"""""3. "FF and MGS4 sold big on the ps2, so they should be huge boosters to the ps3!"
They were big on a 100 million seller console. They will not sell like they did on such a small userbase, unless ps3 owners actually start buying games.""""""""

==> considering the userbase of the PS3, the attach rate of the console is OK even if I agree the Xbox360 attach rate is huge. Whatever, if you want to play these 2 "poor" games that are MGS4/FFXIII, you just have to buy a PS3 man.
That is the life ^^



Time to Work !

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Soriku said:
I meant 8 mil+ PS3s sold JUST because of those games, not the number of PS3s sold at that time.

i think they could,FFXIII will sell alot in japan ,and i think people are forgetting gran turismo the biggest seller from them all



CrazzyMan said:
Wii:
Zelda - yes(though also on GC).
MP - yes.
Mario - yes.
SSB - no.

x360:
Halo - yes.
Mass effect aka KOTOR - yes.

Lost Odyssey - no.

PS3:
Uncharted - yes.
MGS - no.
GT - no.
FF - no.

KZ - no.

PS3 sold more then x360 in same period of time, though x360 had Geow, (overhyped system seller) and NO competition from next gen of consoles. PS3 started in Europe only by the end of March. PS3 costed 500-600$ more then half year.

And now, you still think, that PS3 won`t do AWESOME in 2008? LOL.
PS3 is UNSTOPTABLE. It`s only the begining, only the FIRST year.

The PS3 selling (marginally) more worldwide than the XBox 360 in the same period of time is not important because the PS3 is not in direct competition with the XBox 360 of last year and few developers really have much interest in the worldwide market.

For most western developers the interesting statistic is the number of videogame systems sold outside of Japan. Right now this works out to being (roughly) 13 Million XBox 360 systems, 10.5 Million Wii systems and 4.5 Million PS3 systems; this means that for most western developers there are nearly 3 times as many XBox 360 systems as PS3 systems, and twice as many Wii systems as PS3 systems.

Many gamers are asking "What big games does the Wii/XBox 360 have next year" when they should really be asking "Will the PS3 even have any exclusive third party games in 2008?"



CrazzyMan said:
Wii:
Zelda - yes(though also on GC).
MP - yes.
Mario - yes.
SSB - no.

x360:
Halo - yes.
Mass effect aka KOTOR - yes.

Lost Odyssey - no.

PS3:
Uncharted - yes.
MGS - no.
GT - no.
FF - no.

KZ - no.

PS3 sold more then x360 in same period of time, though x360 had Geow, (overhyped system seller) and NO competition from next gen of consoles. PS3 started in Europe only by the end of March. PS3 costed 500-600$ more then half year.

And now, you still think, that PS3 won`t do AWESOME in 2008? LOL.
PS3 is UNSTOPTABLE. It`s only the begining, only the FIRST year.

that is what people call false evidence... is it strange systemlauchps3>normal month?x360

if u think so , LOL at u

unstoppable? we will see,  dont think i forget



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""""Many gamers are asking "What big games does the Wii/XBox 360 have next year" when they should really be asking "Will the PS3 even have any exclusive third party games in 2008?"
""""

==> Because you think the Xbox360 will have some ??????????

For what I see, if someone make a game on the Xbox360 (let's be common), simply porting the game on the PS3 allow a +33% potential gamers (If I follow your 3 Xbox360 for 1 PS3 logic)
I think it is huge.

So all the third party games will be multiplateform games.

The only true exclusive games will be first party games.



Time to Work !

when they should really be asking "Will the PS3 even have any exclusive third party games in 2008?"
Rockstar creating L.A Noire for PS3.
Rockstar creating New IP for PS3.
Cellius creating games for PS3.
Sega creating Jakuza3 for PS3.
Konami creating Coded Arms for PS3.
Nippon Ichi creating Disgaea3 for PS3.
Free Radical Design creating Haze for PS3.
Atlus creating Persona4 for PS3.
Tri ace making Star Ocean4 for PS3.
Namco making Time Crisis4 for PS3.
Sega creating Valkyrie of the Battlefield for PS3.
Digi-Guys creating WarDevil for PS3.
Quantic Dream creating Heavy Rain for PS3.
Konami creating MGS4 for PS3.
Square creating FFXIII for PS3.

AND some multiplatform:
Eternal Sonata coming to PS3.
Ace combat6 coming to PS3.
Lost Planet coming to PS3.

kirby007, by the end of november 2006 x360 was sold less then 6 mln. worldwide, while PS3 already sold 6 mln.



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far