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SnesTea on 10 May 2010

misterchoc90 said:
nice guide.

i have a question though: the genesis cables you mentioned work without having to mod the genesis for s-video? And do they support 60hz?

Because I just modded my PAL genesis with the 50/60hz and ENG/JAP switches, and the official scart cable that came it with only outputs in black and white when I set the genesis to 60hz.

I did find a scart cable that supports 60hz and stereo from the model 1 once, but it's like 16 euros or something

You are talking about the composite cables. As long as your Genesis runs in 60hz, you should be good.

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sieanr on 10 May 2010

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Snesboy said:

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Almost all of those systems support RGB out, which would be the best output in all cases.

Too bad systems such as NES don't support RGB because of their hardware restrictions.

And for all intents and purposes, you need to do some more research because RGB = component.

No it doesn't. RGB sends the signal as three color channels, component sends it by a black and white image with two chroma signals. The two aren't compatable in any way.

Apparently, they are two sides of the same coin:

To answer the question is there a difference between RGB and component, the answer is both yes and no. Yes there is a difference between RGA and certain types of component video. RGB is considered one type of component video, so in that respect RGB and component video are the same with no differences. However, RGB is just one type of component video, and there are differences between RGB and S-video, which is another type of component video. One difference in RGB and S-video is that S-video uses two separate signals and RGB uses three signals. Component video is not the same as RGB. RGB video puts the horizontal/vertical sync information in with the color information. RGB colorspace, even if it is carried only on three cables, is not the same as component video colorspace.

http://www.abccables.com/info-rgb.html

They both use the same color cable anyways. It's not possible to use component/RGB/S-video with the older systems. The highest video feed they utilize is composite.

You can get scart RGB cables for everything SNES on, and the SMS if iirc. I have my SNES, Genesis, N64 and Saturn all hooked up that way. Hell, even wiki backs it up "The MULTI OUT connector (later used on the Nintendo 64 and GameCube) can output composite video, S-Video and RGB signals, as well as RF with an external RF modulator.["

If you want to get technical then RGB is component, but its a completely signal that is not compatable with the component imputs on the back of your tv unless you use a converter box.

EDIT: just click this http://www.disgruntleddesigner.com/chrisc/gotRGB/screenshots.html

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novasonic on 10 May 2010

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I have a game called Stunt Racer FX for SNES. It's a widescreen only game. For some weird reason.

If at all possible, could you take a couple snapshots? One of Stunt Race FX in 4:3 mode and then 16:9 mode taken from your TV.

And I know of the game, but I haven't played it :-/

Yeah I can, but you'll have to wait a week or so. The lady friends went out of the country for a bit and took the camera with her. Unless crappy cel phone pictures are ok?

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SnesTea on 10 May 2010

sieanr said:

Snesboy said:

sieanr said:

Snesboy said:

sieanr said:
Almost all of those systems support RGB out, which would be the best output in all cases.

Too bad systems such as NES don't support RGB because of their hardware restrictions.

And for all intents and purposes, you need to do some more research because RGB = component.

No it doesn't. RGB sends the signal as three color channels, component sends it by a black and white image with two chroma signals. The two aren't compatable in any way.

Apparently, they are two sides of the same coin:

To answer the question is there a difference between RGB and component, the answer is both yes and no. Yes there is a difference between RGA and certain types of component video. RGB is considered one type of component video, so in that respect RGB and component video are the same with no differences. However, RGB is just one type of component video, and there are differences between RGB and S-video, which is another type of component video. One difference in RGB and S-video is that S-video uses two separate signals and RGB uses three signals. Component video is not the same as RGB. RGB video puts the horizontal/vertical sync information in with the color information. RGB colorspace, even if it is carried only on three cables, is not the same as component video colorspace.

http://www.abccables.com/info-rgb.html

They both use the same color cable anyways. It's not possible to use component/RGB/S-video with the older systems. The highest video feed they utilize is composite.

You can get scart RGB cables for everything SNES on, and the SMS if iirc. I have my SNES, Genesis, N64 and Saturn all hooked up that way. Hell, even wiki backs it up "The MULTI OUT connector (later used on the Nintendo 64 and GameCube) can output composite video, S-Video and RGB signals, as well as RF with an external RF modulator.["

If you want to get technical then RGB is component, but its a completely signal that is not compatable with the component imputs on the back of your tv unless you use a converter box.

EDIT: just click this http://www.disgruntleddesigner.com/chrisc/gotRGB/screenshots.html

Too bad SCART isn't the standard in the US. Never was.

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SnesTea on 10 May 2010

novasonic said:

Snesboy said:

novasonic said:
I have a game called Stunt Racer FX for SNES. It's a widescreen only game. For some weird reason.

If at all possible, could you take a couple snapshots? One of Stunt Race FX in 4:3 mode and then 16:9 mode taken from your TV.

And I know of the game, but I haven't played it :-/

Yeah I can, but you'll have to wait a week or so. The lady friends went out of the country for a bit and took the camera with her. Unless crappy cel phone pictures are ok?

I'd rather you wait lol.

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sieanr on 11 May 2010

Snesboy said:

sieanr said:

Snesboy said:

sieanr said:

Snesboy said:

sieanr said:
Almost all of those systems support RGB out, which would be the best output in all cases.

Too bad systems such as NES don't support RGB because of their hardware restrictions.

And for all intents and purposes, you need to do some more research because RGB = component.

No it doesn't. RGB sends the signal as three color channels, component sends it by a black and white image with two chroma signals. The two aren't compatable in any way.

Apparently, they are two sides of the same coin:

To answer the question is there a difference between RGB and component, the answer is both yes and no. Yes there is a difference between RGA and certain types of component video. RGB is considered one type of component video, so in that respect RGB and component video are the same with no differences. However, RGB is just one type of component video, and there are differences between RGB and S-video, which is another type of component video. One difference in RGB and S-video is that S-video uses two separate signals and RGB uses three signals. Component video is not the same as RGB. RGB video puts the horizontal/vertical sync information in with the color information. RGB colorspace, even if it is carried only on three cables, is not the same as component video colorspace.

http://www.abccables.com/info-rgb.html

They both use the same color cable anyways. It's not possible to use component/RGB/S-video with the older systems. The highest video feed they utilize is composite.

You can get scart RGB cables for everything SNES on, and the SMS if iirc. I have my SNES, Genesis, N64 and Saturn all hooked up that way. Hell, even wiki backs it up "The MULTI OUT connector (later used on the Nintendo 64 and GameCube) can output composite video, S-Video and RGB signals, as well as RF with an external RF modulator.["

If you want to get technical then RGB is component, but its a completely signal that is not compatable with the component imputs on the back of your tv unless you use a converter box.

EDIT: just click this http://www.disgruntleddesigner.com/chrisc/gotRGB/screenshots.html

Too bad SCART isn't the standard in the US. Never was.

So?

There are still plenty of european visitors to this site, no?

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SnesTea on 11 May 2010

sieanr said:

Snesboy said:

Too bad SCART isn't the standard in the US. Never was.

So?

There are still plenty of european visitors to this site, no?

Tell ya what. You can write up a thing on RGB and I will throw that in the OP.

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mike_intellivision on 16 June 2010

I can't believe I just spent 15 minutes watching someone to tell me to run the RF into a VCR for my Atari 2600.

Luckily, I have an Atari 2600 and an Intellivision that have been hacked to output composite. However, the Intellivision signal is so weak, it still needs to run through a VCR for amplification.

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mike_intellivision said:

I can't believe I just spent 15 minutes watching someone to tell me to run the RF into a VCR for my Atari 2600.

Luckily, I have an Atari 2600 and an Intellivision that have been hacked to output composite. However, the Intellivision signal is so weak, it still needs to run through a VCR for amplification.

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I can. A lot of the users on this site, well, their time isn't worth anything. And I figured it would be a fun little video, so I posted in the OP.

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