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Apparently Hitler is also very upset about this latest development:



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What a waste of internet space this guy is..

Lets sue Microsoft for removing the old blade interface.

Lets sue Sony for removing the old crappy html PSN store.



Seihyouken said:
So can someone point out exactly what law Sony is breaking?

The OP already noted this: go read the DMCA. (In the USA.)

At some point, some lawyer is going to pick up on this and Sony *is* going to be sued. Not a question of if, only a question of when and, I can guarantee you, Sony has already factored in the costs of various lawsuits before making this move. The net result being that the lawyer is going to get paid, we might get a coupon, and nothing is going to change re: the stripping of OtherOS support.

(Literally the only way that Sony would roll this back is a groundswell of anti-Sony sentiment from their userbase, but just by reading this and a million other threads on this issue, that isn't going to happen, which is a real shame because it's only going to embolden other companies to play the same 'games' in the future.)




emo_parker said:
What a waste of internet space this guy is..

Lets sue Microsoft for removing the old blade interface.

Lets sue Sony for removing the old crappy html PSN store.

You must not understand what this is about. It is about consumers getting what is advertised. Using other OS was advertised as someting the ps3 could do, and was touted as an attribute to the ps3. The blade interface was not, neither was the old psn store, both of which you have substitutes for mind you. This about something being taken away from a system that may have been the reason a person bought it. very different from what you said



Seihyouken "So can someone point out exactly what law Sony is breaking?"

 

Basically it is a "bait and switch" law they are breaking. Its advertising something the system can do, and then not being able to fo it.



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Did Sony advertise linux as a selling feature? Does it say it on the box? Were there paid advertisments showing linux support? You have to prove that Sony advertised linux support as a reason for someone to buy a PS3 to have a valid claim. Otherwise this is no different than an operating system redesign. 



bxnytony said:

ok guys imma point out several of the things that are illegal about sony's current "optional" 3.21 firmware update.

1) after market modification is illegal for both the consumer and manufacturer without consent from the opposite party. it states in the tos that they reserve the right to alter software at anytime however its illegal since u cant pre agree to modification. Federal law renders their own tos void because u cant actually enter into an agreement which breaks the law within itself.

2)false advertising - every single ps3 system and game advertises psn access. now no ps3 advertises or specifies firmware requirements therefore they can not block u from accessing the psn based solely on what firmware you use. Also some games clearly state on the box specific firmware requirements. if ur system meets the minimum required firmware then they are legally bound to allow u access to all functions of the game including online play. since no game could possibly require firmware 3.21 as it just came out blocking the access of those who choose not to upgrade is a violation of ur consumer rights. they agree to let u play online when u buy the game so how can they pull it back because u don't upgrade to a firmware that isn't specified as a requirement.

3)theft of service- when u purchase a system or game u are not just purchasing a product u are purchasing a service. the psn is a service that they agree to give u access to upon purchase. it  is clearly advertised on all packaging with no listed firmware requirements. no it is not a free service. every single game and system bought is money for sony that is used to maintain the service that is clearly advertised on the packaging. again by restricting ur access based on firmware they are disabling ur access to a service that was already agreed upon at a set "price".

4)consumer deception- the new update is specifically listed as optional!!! how is that possible when not updating will restrict from using features that were previously functional. this is illegal. even if it states that you will be blocked should u not update in a new eula or tos, by refusing the update u r also refusing the tos or eula including the part which bans u form utilizing the psn based on firmware specification.

5) the psp- (big issue here) my psn account is blocked on my ps3 but not on my psp???????????? how is that? same account same psn. i'm sure they use different programming and code but they also use different firmware. the psn is not designated as psp or psn therefore they obviously cant restrict it based on firmware as my psp CANT use ps3 firmware 3.21 duh. you cant say oh for the psp its one thing and for the ps3 its another as they both are granting access to the same network.

Please people read this and take note. Hey xbox players same goes for u guys. this is bigger than sony or games in general. the precedence this could set is that any manufacturer could remove or disable any fucntion they see fit after u pay for it. 

 

 

1) it happens all the time each time you patch any software, be it windows, IE or PS3 firmware, every patch is a modification.. Only way to stop this is from now on agree that patching is illegal and your security holes in Windows or that bug that really annoys you in Mass Effect 2 will stay as in and will never get fixed... That's not happening..ever.....

2) Sony hasn't advertised other OS on the PS3 for at least 6 months, ( since the SLIM launch as SLIM doesn't support other OS). At the time they advertised it, the feature existed, now it's not advertised anymore so they have not lied... What you're saying is like crying because you got cable TV because it had some soccer channel you wanted and 6 months later those channels are only on satellite and you are crying afoul, guess what you're never gonna win that argument...

 

3)Some lawyer tried to start class action suite against Microsoft after the last huge batch of banned players from X-Box Live.

It failed horribly.

Now if MSFT can deny them access to a service they pay for, guess what Sony can do for a service you don't pay for, because no matter what your argue, PSN is still a free service....

As for manufacturers disabling functionalities wherever they see fit they do it all the time. Do you really think the multiplayer functionality you get with most games last forever ? Go ask the people looking for Madden 09 servers...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Reported, there really is no need for another of these threads.



exindguy said:
Seihyouken said:
So can someone point out exactly what law Sony is breaking?

The OP already noted this: go read the DMCA. (In the USA.)

At some point, some lawyer is going to pick up on this and Sony *is* going to be sued. Not a question of if, only a question of when and, I can guarantee you, Sony has already factored in the costs of various lawsuits before making this move. The net result being that the lawyer is going to get paid, we might get a coupon, and nothing is going to change re: the stripping of OtherOS support.

(Literally the only way that Sony would roll this back is a groundswell of anti-Sony sentiment from their userbase, but just by reading this and a million other threads on this issue, that isn't going to happen, which is a real shame because it's only going to embolden other companies to play the same 'games' in the future.)

I would be interested to see the content of the Linux HDD of those few users that keep complaining, like for example how much content they have on those Linux boxes that they have no legal right to have........



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

2) Sony hasn't advertised other OS on the PS3 for at least 6 months, ( since the SLIM launch as SLIM doesn't support other OS). At the time they advertised it, the feature existed, now it's not advertised anymore so they have not lied... What you're saying is like crying because you got cable TV because it had some soccer channel you wanted and 6 months later those channels are only on satellite and you are crying afoul, guess what you're never gonna win that argument...

 

They have lied to those who have other OS.  Yes the slim was not adverstised nor did it support other OS, but people who biought the phat may have bought it just for that. If you guys can't understand that, that is fine, most laws( including the US and EU) do so it does not matter. If it is brought to court I have no doubt sony would lose and have to pay restitution to those who ar ein the suit and have a phat ps3. I am not saying they ahev to reintroduce other OS but they do have to compensate those who bought a ps3 for that use, or they have to let them use otherOS

 

Just for your guys info, I do not own a ps3 or use linux. I am only posting in this thread so pepole(consumers) realsie they have rights, and should hold companies to those rights. They count on you not calling them on their BS to get away with it. Do not let them do it.