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lestatdark on 02 April 2010
c03n3nj0 said:
lestatdark said:
Orca_Azure said:
lestatdark said:
Orca_Azure said:
Actually, I ran into a bunch of Wicca in the wood once. It was midnight (i was leaving a friends house and trying to go through the forest as a shortcut. forest is about a mile thick). Anyways, i come into this opening and there are a bunch of people in white robes. Now at first i thought this was some racist gang or something so i nearly shit myself from fear.

anyways i stumbled upon them and thought I was seriously going to be either gang attacked or shot. Well, they invited me into their camp fire and told me to sit down. I actually remember peeing myself a little because there were about 8 of them. Anyways, they all praised the Earth god and i did as well because i wasn't about to offend these wackos. Anyways, an hour later their meeting ended and i ran like hell out of there.

They called me a brother so i guess i was in a cult.

Can you care to elaborate how Wicca is a cult? 

Oh and from your description, the group you stumbled was a derivative branch of Wicca in which they praise Cernunnos, the god of stags, earth and the hunt.

But really, I just want you to elaborate on how is it a cult, as it's a recognized worldwide religion based on ancient celtic rituals and beliefs, which has over 50 million believers and followers all around the world. I'm one of them. 

Even the most generous estimates put the number of Wiccans in the 1-5 million followers range. I searched high and low and found nothing that even closely resembled 50 milion. If you mean to put them in the same group with every other neopagan religion in the world, then perhaps the number would be higher.

Considering their name derives from the word "witch cult" and the word witchcraft seems to be popular within the group, I can only venture to guess that the people believe in something that the rest of the world does not. While each religion has their belief in various dieties and whatnot, the Wicca practices are what concern me most. It isn't often that you come across a group of people believing in realworld magicks and dancing around circles in the woods. I wouldn't knock any religion for their beliefs, but when one straight up says they believe in magic, I cannot ask for anything more but for them to prove it.

As for the very meaning of the word cult- it refers to a group whose beliefs or practices could be, reasonably or unreasonably, considered strange. Perhaps magic was believed more in the middle ages, but in today's society you would be hard pressed to find many people (apart from those already associated with the group) to openly state they believe in magic.

Witch cults and Wicca are two different things, even though the two derive from the same stem. 

While witch cults practice what you called real world magicks, Wicca believe more in the healing powers of nature, meditation ans self-consciouness. In this aspect we're no different from budhism and other forms of meditation. And while some of the things we do, are consider the be "magickal", they closely resemble homeopathy techniques more than some otherworldy non-sensical thing. 

We do believe in different deities, which stem from beliefs that came from pagan times, and yes we do have rituals that involve chanting and dancing, but they're no different than what most religions do as well. 

why are you guys spelling magic with a k?

OP- Nope.

That's how the translation of the word from ancient Celtic is actually done. 



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c03n3nj0 on 02 April 2010
lestatdark said:
c03n3nj0 said:
lestatdark said:
Orca_Azure said:
lestatdark said:
Orca_Azure said:
Actually, I ran into a bunch of Wicca in the wood once. It was midnight (i was leaving a friends house and trying to go through the forest as a shortcut. forest is about a mile thick). Anyways, i come into this opening and there are a bunch of people in white robes. Now at first i thought this was some racist gang or something so i nearly shit myself from fear.

anyways i stumbled upon them and thought I was seriously going to be either gang attacked or shot. Well, they invited me into their camp fire and told me to sit down. I actually remember peeing myself a little because there were about 8 of them. Anyways, they all praised the Earth god and i did as well because i wasn't about to offend these wackos. Anyways, an hour later their meeting ended and i ran like hell out of there.

They called me a brother so i guess i was in a cult.

Can you care to elaborate how Wicca is a cult? 

Oh and from your description, the group you stumbled was a derivative branch of Wicca in which they praise Cernunnos, the god of stags, earth and the hunt.

But really, I just want you to elaborate on how is it a cult, as it's a recognized worldwide religion based on ancient celtic rituals and beliefs, which has over 50 million believers and followers all around the world. I'm one of them. 

Even the most generous estimates put the number of Wiccans in the 1-5 million followers range. I searched high and low and found nothing that even closely resembled 50 milion. If you mean to put them in the same group with every other neopagan religion in the world, then perhaps the number would be higher.

Considering their name derives from the word "witch cult" and the word witchcraft seems to be popular within the group, I can only venture to guess that the people believe in something that the rest of the world does not. While each religion has their belief in various dieties and whatnot, the Wicca practices are what concern me most. It isn't often that you come across a group of people believing in realworld magicks and dancing around circles in the woods. I wouldn't knock any religion for their beliefs, but when one straight up says they believe in magic, I cannot ask for anything more but for them to prove it.

As for the very meaning of the word cult- it refers to a group whose beliefs or practices could be, reasonably or unreasonably, considered strange. Perhaps magic was believed more in the middle ages, but in today's society you would be hard pressed to find many people (apart from those already associated with the group) to openly state they believe in magic.

Witch cults and Wicca are two different things, even though the two derive from the same stem. 

While witch cults practice what you called real world magicks, Wicca believe more in the healing powers of nature, meditation ans self-consciouness. In this aspect we're no different from budhism and other forms of meditation. And while some of the things we do, are consider the be "magickal", they closely resemble homeopathy techniques more than some otherworldy non-sensical thing. 

We do believe in different deities, which stem from beliefs that came from pagan times, and yes we do have rituals that involve chanting and dancing, but they're no different than what most religions do as well. 

why are you guys spelling magic with a k?

OP- Nope.

That's how the translation of the word from ancient Celtic is actually done. 

Oh... I like my version of spelling it better



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Final-Fan on 02 April 2010
c03n3nj0 said:
lestatdark said:
c03n3nj0 said:
why are you guys spelling magic with a k?

That's how the translation of the word from ancient Celtic is actually done. 

Oh... I like my version of spelling it better

I'd like to know how you can claim a proper spelling of a translation from a different language.  And lots of very old words had variant spellings back in the day. 

Also, Wikipedia has a very different account of the origin of the "k", though your group may have arrived at it differently. 



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CommonMan on 03 April 2010

Yeah, those crazy Wiccans and their magic. Like turning water into wine and magically multiplying fish and bread. . . wait a minute!!



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Kasz216 on 03 April 2010
Final-Fan said:
c03n3nj0 said:
lestatdark said:
c03n3nj0 said:
why are you guys spelling magic with a k?

That's how the translation of the word from ancient Celtic is actually done. 

Oh... I like my version of spelling it better

I'd like to know how you can claim a proper spelling of a translation from a different language.  And lots of very old words had variant spellings back in the day. 

Also, Wikipedia has a very different account of the origin of the "k", though your group may have arrived at it differently. 

Not to mention if we started doing things the original way we'd all be speaking like old english or something.  Although not Old English since i oddly think that was another language?  Eh i'm not sure... entymology i'm not so good at.  Not good at languages in general.

Barely got through Latin.



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Final-Fan on 03 April 2010
Kasz216 said:
Not to mention if we started doing things the original way we'd all be speaking like old english or something.  Although not Old English since i oddly think that was another language?  Eh i'm not sure... entymology i'm not so good at.  Not good at languages in general.

Barely got through Latin.

Well, I'm no linguist, but I believe that if you get back as far as Old English you're talking about before the Norman infusion of French into the English language.  It might as well be a different language from looking at it, different written alphabet and everything.  Middle English (Chaucer) is barely understandable itself, but it's much closer to Modern English than it is to Old English -- I think. 

But I don't think it's really fair to say that Old English is "another language" from ours while Middle English is not -- one evolved into another evolved into another.  On the other hand, if we were gonna draw a line somewhere, we should probably draw it there due to the massive influx of French vocab. 

I think I need to equivocate some more.  Or maybe not. 



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RockSmith372 on 03 April 2010

Since all religions are cults, almost everyone is involved with a cult.



lestatdark on 03 April 2010
Final-Fan said:
c03n3nj0 said:
lestatdark said:
c03n3nj0 said:
why are you guys spelling magic with a k?

That's how the translation of the word from ancient Celtic is actually done. 

Oh... I like my version of spelling it better

I'd like to know how you can claim a proper spelling of a translation from a different language.  And lots of very old words had variant spellings back in the day. 

Also, Wikipedia has a very different account of the origin of the "k", though your group may have arrived at it differently. 

It's a variant of spelling, as you said. Plus if you pay attention to the wikipedia article it is said that Aleister Crowley did not invent the underlying idea behind the K spelling, he just used it to differentiate it from the common misconceptions that the word Magic represented. 



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highwaystar101 on 03 April 2010
RockSmith372 said:
Since all religions are cults, almost everyone is involved with a cult.

Is atheism a cult? I've heard that claimed before...

*looks around shiftily*



dtewi on 03 April 2010
highwaystar101 said:
RockSmith372 said:
Since all religions are cults, almost everyone is involved with a cult.

Is atheism a cult? I've heard that claimed before...

*looks around shiftily*

Well, since atheism isn't a religion, I don't think it's a cult.



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