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Request to lock this thread is DENIED!!! Carry on guys

Geohot is just a guy, but I do like blackra1n.

I could be wrong here but from memory that wasn't how Geohot's hack worked. Linux (hence otherOS) was only used so that code could be run which would trick the hypervisor to run unsigned code. The concept of turning this into a method of playing pirated games was that a mod chip would be created that transferred the same bit pattern onto whatever Cell data lines that the Linux code was transferring on, just having the same effect as Geohot's convoluted hack. Once this was achieved it would be possible to get the hypervisor to do anything, such as ignoring BDROM type checks and serial ID checks whilst in the PS3 OS, thus allowing pirated games to be played. There would be no need for a PS3 OS emulator under PS3 Linux.

By killing off OtherOS support, Sony have removed the avenue for getting the hypervisor to run unsigned code using the current hack.  Geohots current plan is to find a way for older firmware versions to work with PSN, and then later to create a custom firmware that can trick PSN into thinking the PS3 has an authentic, up to date firmware version. The key issues I see that Geohot hasn't explained yet is how he plans to circumvent whatever steps the PS3 uses to confirm a firmware version is authentic. Because it seems to me that custom firmware would have been one of the first methods tried to break the PS3, the fact that no hack came out that used that supports my belief that Sony's firmware authentication procedures are very thorough. Even assuming Geohot has whatever codes the PS3 uses to confirm a firmware is authentic, by removing OtherOS support Sony have removed Geohot's access point, allowing Sony to change those codes in a newer firmware update without Geohot being able to find them out without coming up with another method of getting the hypervisor code.

Over 3 years in, and the closet(which is not very) they have got is going through other OS. So..........

I would update, I've been flowing the Ps3 hacking scene since the beginning, and no results.
Geohot is not the first and not the last, there were many people that edited XMB data, even game data, hell I even remember the first one that modded Warhawk package (AFAIK) to show a custom title and a custom image,(sony put a semi-decrypted version on their site, by luck someone guessed the name or smth) than there were others that followed, numerous buffer-overflow attempts(the TIFF exploit that worked on the iphone was tried on the PS3, it just crashed it)
than there was Java homebrew (the one on bluray) it could have been run from a usb stick from a while than sonny patched it... etc.
I know people that still have the 1.6 or 1.8 or even lower firmware versions, they have been keeping them till now just so they could get to piracy.
Hell I even remember the proxy disc, when someone(forgot who) claimed that you can run any game via some hdd-swap and the motorstorm disc (was never made public)
and probably the first ones, the paradox iso loader, and other ones that were named fake.
Either Paradox couldn't do it, or they just don't want to release it,
Remember kids paradox was here before EgoHot, they hacked a lot of consoles, since the amiga days, till the ps2 I think they touched the psp a little, some of their members were busted by the FBI , bah Paradox will be here for the years to come, unlike some others who by luck "hack" (EgoHot actually stole a part of the original iphone hack) than they are not heard from in the scene ever again, and become attention whores.

I don't think removing the other OS option is the right thing to do. If someone decides to try to hack the PS3, that person simply won't update, and will continue his work using Linux. And people who use Linux normally won't have the chance to do it anymore, wich is a bad thing. I can't see how much safer the PS3 is now, sincerely.

About the topic, I don't see nothing bad on using a proxy to be able to connect to PSN while keeping Linux.

well it's because Geohot used a homemade Mod chip FPGA home made a board shocker and in conjunction with Linux was able to get to where he was able to hack part of the PS3 the Hypervisor.

Now that he's done that Mod chip's are most likely going to be released for the PS3.

so removing Install other OS was a way that Sony may now be able to Ban Mod chipped PS3's on PSN.

inorder to have Linux on your PS3 you would need to have 2 partition's, if while logging into PSN and it scan's your HARDDRIVE and look's for a 2nd partition

than PSN knows you have a mod chipped PS3. It would only need to scan the internal Hardrive looking for that second Partition to know if your Harddrive has Linux.

Example:

4. What is the SmartScan technology?
SmartScan is a unique technology for fast disk structure restoring. The data is restored from the information obtained from disk scan. A physical or logical disk, disk region, or disk image saved as a file can be scanned. SmartScan can restore all previous partitions if the scanned disk has some direct or indirect partitions data on a hard drive. SmartScan allows you to interactively control and modify these data during scanning.

remote scanning!

if the server find's multiple partition's on your internal harddrive than they know its hacked.

Please do not close this thread, its nice for people that use "otherOS" to keep using it in conjuncture with PSN, as theyve always been able to do. If they hack, then ban their console from PSN exactly like Microsoft did. Thats the right thing to do, instead of banning everyone that use "otherOS" from PSN. The only positive thing from this, is the message that it sends to hackers and developers, but that doesnt justify the end anyway considering the risk is light. The risk will be bigger in the future, but please, the slim doesnt even have "otherOS". Its only a selected few that will be able to perform this hack, heres are the factor:

Owner of a fat PS3
Blu ray burner
High bandwith or renting games or lending games
Connaisance in technology to perform the hack

Out of the people that fit those criterias, only a few will actually want to hack. We know where it starts, but where does it stop if everyone agree its the right thing to do? People should think about this. Other company may do the same thing if we as consumers, agree its the right thing to do. I know its not a big deal since only 1% of PS3 owner use this function, but is it really morally correct for a company to do that? Where does it stop?

yes while i agree with you, I am very pro Linux. I use it every day, but Geohot did not need to make a board shocker! he could of used Linux without doing that just because at first he said he was not going to release on how he did it, than he went on ahead and released the info.

he could have made homebrew without doing what he did.

hell even BD-JAVA is an option for Homebrew it's one thing to support Homebrew, but when you make a hack that you know full darn well that it would lead to piracy, than something has to give.

Sony's already had to deal with this on the PSP so Hacker's can do anything they want but if their hack is detrimental to the sales of software than that's a whole new problem.

it seem's no matter what people seem to want Sony's game software but there is very many that do not want to pay for it.

when the PS3 sell's software but sofar none of their single software game's  has sold over 5 million yet. where as Both Nintendo and Microsoft has had software selling into the near 10 or more million's.

can you blame Sony for being agressive toward piracy?

I haven't read the method yet, or seen if it works or not. But I have to say, I told everyone this will happen. You fuck with the masses, and they will fuck you right back twice as hard if need be. Look at the DDoS attack on Ubisoft's DRM servers as an example.


I also find it extremely pathetic, and I really can't stress the word pathetic hard enough, that people with PS3's actually WANT to have features removed. I mean, this is as pathetic as you can get without actually being controlled by SONY, through money or mind control you choose.