well recently I have seen an out pouring of hate for Geohot because what he is doing may one day allow pirated games on the PS3.

now I have a question for you do you hate pirates?

now have you ever rented or purchased a second hand copy of a game?

well I have news for you if you did the second one and hate the people who do the first one because they are robbing developers, not only are you a hypocrite, you are in my opinion (read the only one that counts) you are far worse than the people that do the first one.

Now let me explain why, you know how much money your spent on that used game or that rental? well you know how much the developer/publisher got from that transaction, heres a clue 0 ziltch nada none nothing, and now you want to know why you are worse than the pirates? Well because the majority of pirates can't/wouldn't spend spend money on a game where as you people that buy second hand or rent are willing to spend money on the game and deliberately avoided supporting the developers. And I know what you are saying you can't afford to spend that much money on a new game or you can't get the games you buy second hand, Well I got more news for you pirates use the exact same excuse.

all comments and arguments are welcome ; )

I 100% disagree with you as the big difference in pirating and renting/buying used is that money is still transfering hands and that allows the original purchaser to buy another new game. Thus, while renting/buying used is not as desirable to devs as everyone buying their own unique copy, its still not theft and in the long run the devs still profit something.

Rental companies are supposed to pay a licensing fee, and I don't see any reason why selling games second hand should be any different than selling a book or a car second hand (although I try to avoid it myself unless the game is out of print). Besides, the seller might recycle the money they got into buying a new game. So I don't agree at all, at all.

The difference is in consent. You can gain ownership, permanent or temporary, for free if you have the consent of the original owner.

Taking someone's property without their consent, is theft, a violation of their property rights, and their natural right as a human being. It is in essence, slavery, since you're making someone slave away creating something, and then just taking it away. It's not an issue of compensation either. It's CONSENT.

but the developers don't get any of the money in that transaction and I could ague that pirates illegally downloading a game allows the pirate to spend their money on other games, see it doesn't work like that and most businesses that rent out games don't give the developers anything other than the money for the original copy some publishers have tried suing them for profiting off their property.

Legal copies are finite. Its supply and demand. If People like the game they will keep it, which mens less used copies and eventually people will have to buy new ones. Which means good games will sell, bad games won't.

Pirated copies are infinite, in the worst case there will one legal copy sold and Millions can play it, regardless of its quality.

Here you go, I'm generous so I'm giving you a free game.

*gives* *you take*

Did you steal? Where was my compensation? Was there CONSENT?

You're hammering this point about compensation, but renting both includes compensation and consent. The lenders pay for the right to lend the creator's game, with their consent. So even that argument fails.

what if I receive a game as a gift? that mean I didn't give any money to the developers for it. Yet the person who gives it to me did. What if they played the game first before giving it to me? The thing is though once they give me the game they can't play it any more.

With pirating it's creating an infinite amount of copies of the game. The produced of the game might have made only 1 million copies. As soon as someone uploads it it could be pirated 10 million 20 million times et cetera. While if I buy a used copy of the game that is one copy that others can't play only me. If someone wants to play the game but can't find the game used the have to buy it new or wait for it to be a lower price or available used.

did you get consent from the publishers of all the games you have on sold? I bet you didn't so your consent argument has no validity if you got consent fine but if you did ask the publishers for consent I bet you wouldn't get it.

When you rent a game your paying for it, when your pirating a game your not...very simple.