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^^ A Valve partnership could prove to be more strategic in that regard. No direct competition there, but Valve maintains an online network quite as good as Live, but Valve is a more software-oriented company



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I think M$ should be content making 1.4 B/yr. and let Nintendo work out their own problems. Helping the industry leader hardly seems like sound corporate policy. Nintendo won't tie their future to M$. The 360 is aging tech with a spotty history while Nintendo have a rep. as both reliable and innovative. They will make their HD foray on their own while the 'Twins' hope for the worst. M$ have enough on their plate right now. Ninty have the time and certainly the money to think long term rather than react. There's 2 cents from the cheap seats.



The only way this works is if Nintendo adopts Microsoft's console operating system fully.

Microsoft is not in this to sell hardware. They want to be the base operating system and software services in living room devices.

If Nintendo said, "We'll license the OS and services such as Live" to Microsoft, I think a deal would be done in days. And I think most nintendo and 360 owners wouldn't have any problem buying an up-to-date HD gaming console from Nintendo that had a Microsoft console OS and Live on it.



Bamboleo said:

I'd rather have an Apple Nintendo fusion. Now that would be epic.

Good God, that would be the most insufferably arrogant coalition on the planet. I like both Apple and Nintendo products but when combined, we'd get one incredibly good-looking product that played one game, had no ports for anything, and cost $1,499 retail.

Then they'd release a limited edition version (only $200 extra) with no improved specs, but it would come with a framed picture of Jobs and Reggie holding hands and running through a field of wild flowers for all the zealots to masturbate over.

Bleh.




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Well the chances of that happening is pretty low for starters, as they have their own well established franchises. They aren't going to give away profits to each other like that.
Also there will be issues between each company on who owns the rights to a game



                                  

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rocketpig said:
Bamboleo said:

I'd rather have an Apple Nintendo fusion. Now that would be epic.

Good God, that would be the most insufferably arrogant coalition on the planet. I like both Apple and Nintendo products but when combined, we'd get one incredibly good-looking product that played one game, had no ports for anything, and cost $1,499 retail.

Then they'd release a limited edition version (only $200 extra) with no improved specs, but it would come with a framed picture of Jobs and Reggie holding hands and running through a field of wild flowers for all the zealots to masturbate over.

Bleh.

Damn that made me laugh. I personally would love Nintendo-Google Alliance. It would work at as well, since google and nintendo are encountering similar competitors. The enemy of my enemy is my friend!



 

alephnull said:

The oh-so-subtle subtext here is MS fans should cooperate with Nintendo fans against annoying Sony fans, or at least that's the only explanation I can come up with for this that makes sense; I would be hard pressed to come up with two other companies with less compatible corporate cultures and unaligned interests.

So Nintendo should want to be acquired by MS so they can integrate MS's realtime bleeping tech? Seriously? You're a better Sophist than that Squilliam. I would suggest advocating the merging of Nintendo with a codeword substitute for MS in the form of some notoriously pro-microsoft proxy, such as valve. It would have the advantage of being less obvious, and might even make sense as long as you didn't think about it for too long.

In this context I would expect little more cooperation between companies of such diverse internal cultures and values than Sony cooperates with Microsoft in relation to VAIO laptop computers. I felt that perhaps Nintendo could make use of the services offered by another company in order to focus on the areas which are most vital to their own success. Why reinvent the wheel when they they focus their attention on areas critical to user experience. They are a relatively small company so if they can focus their hardware engineers in areas where their efforts count and buy in hardware/services than cannot efficiently produce in house they may very well be better off overall. You could replace Microsoft with AMD in this if it makes you feel better.

In the context of the real time bleeping technology, I believed that Nintendo would not offer voice communication in game unless they had a way of shielding their userbase from vulgar and obscene language. If you look back upon their comments they have implied this much themselves. Since Microsoft is the only one who I know has it, it increases the possibility for a mutually beneficial partnership.

Why would you assume I make this thread out of some anti-Sony spite? I hold no disrespect for any of the community here specifically because of their console of choice, I myself haven't played on my Xbox 360 for a few months as its broken and even then I play more games on the PS3 or PC and have done since the beginning of the generation. My opinion of Sony PR is something else entirely and if you're referencing my previous thread about whether or not the Move was inspired or cloned from the Wiimote I had no ill intentions, I simply wanted to get the pulse of the community on this issue.

P.S. I have a theory that you're now working for Nvidia given the fact that your experience with HPC and the Cell processor makes you qualified to help them with their own endeavours in that space and its supported by the fact that Nvidia forbids their employees from using messaging boards so you'd have to keep your new location of work secret. It wouldn't be Intel because Intel allows people to make accounts as long as you make it certain your opinion is your own (according to Aaron Spink, lead engineer for Itanium networking) and ATI/AMD weren't hiring that much due to their poor financial position and less need for your relevant expertise.

 



Tease.

BoneArk said:
I think Sony + Nintendo would be a better collaboration than Microsoft imo.

I'm sure they would get along fine. No secret attepts to steal each others IP or backstabs or anything like that. They would be best of friends.



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Squilliam said:
alephnull said:

The oh-so-subtle subtext here is MS fans should cooperate with Nintendo fans against annoying Sony fans, or at least that's the only explanation I can come up with for this that makes sense; I would be hard pressed to come up with two other companies with less compatible corporate cultures and unaligned interests.

So Nintendo should want to be acquired by MS so they can integrate MS's realtime bleeping tech? Seriously? You're a better Sophist than that Squilliam. I would suggest advocating the merging of Nintendo with a codeword substitute for MS in the form of some notoriously pro-microsoft proxy, such as valve. It would have the advantage of being less obvious, and might even make sense as long as you didn't think about it for too long.

In this context I would expect little more cooperation between companies of such diverse internal cultures and values than Sony cooperates with Microsoft in relation to VAIO laptop computers. I felt that perhaps Nintendo could make use of the services offered by another company in order to focus on the areas which are most vital to their own success. Why reinvent the wheel when they they focus their attention on areas critical to user experience. They are a relatively small company so if they can focus their hardware engineers in areas where their efforts count and buy in hardware/services than cannot efficiently produce in house they may very well be better off overall. You could replace Microsoft with AMD in this if it makes you feel better.

In the context of the real time bleeping technology, I believed that Nintendo would not offer voice communication in game unless they had a way of shielding their userbase from vulgar and obscene language. If you look back upon their comments they have implied this much themselves. Since Microsoft is the only one who I know has it, it increases the possibility for a mutually beneficial partnership.

Why would you assume I make this thread out of some anti-Sony spite? I hold no disrespect for any of the community here specifically because of their console of choice, I myself haven't played on my Xbox 360 for a few months as its broken and even then I play more games on the PS3 or PC and have done since the beginning of the generation. My opinion of Sony PR is something else entirely and if you're referencing my previous thread about whether or not the Move was inspired or cloned from the Wiimote I had no ill intentions, I simply wanted to get the pulse of the community on this issue.

P.S. I have a theory that you're now working for Nvidia given the fact that your experience with HPC and the Cell processor makes you qualified to help them with their own endeavours in that space and its supported by the fact that Nvidia forbids their employees from using messaging boards so you'd have to keep your new location of work secret. It wouldn't be Intel because Intel allows people to make accounts as long as you make it certain your opinion is your own (according to Aaron Spink, lead engineer for Itanium networking) and ATI/AMD weren't hiring that much due to their poor financial position and less need for your relevant expertise.

 

1) Microsoft and Sony (usually held up as one of the most "American" of Japanese companies) have fairly similar corporate cultures, so that doesn't help your argument.

2) realtime bleeping is something you liscence from some niche media tech company or hire a speed team to reverse engineer.

3) The Sony fans have obviously become the most annoiying at the moment, so it only makes sense. Don't get me wrong I prefer the PS3, but the fans are starting to drive me crazy with the crap they are giving people who run linux on their machines.

4) Hah, no, still on the intel grant. Besides, GPUs/GPGPUs will be replaced by something that can do realtime raytracing next gen

http://www.drdobbs.com/high-performance-computing/218500694

and NVIDIA will go under ;)



gamelover2000 said:
Squilliam said:

The reason why I say this is because it appears that both will be better able to meet their goals working together than they will working seperately. Microsoft isn't averse to working with other competitors, even in the same industry so cue Apple if you want and Microsoft perfectly matches Nintendo in terms of shoring up their weaknesses in networking, development environment and they would both benefit from having similar hardware and that hardware can be produced cheaper with better economies of scale for both parties.

Advantages Nintendo:

  1. Microsoft already has the kind of network Nintendo would like to have and they even have technologies like real time bleeping of voice communication which aren't available anywhere else. If Nintendo were to build a network like Live for themselves it would cost them over a billion dollars whereas Microsoft already has one ready to go.
  2. Nintendo has struggled somewhat with development support and Microsoft has already got the bridges built between console/PC which they would want to leverage as their interface shares many commonalities with the mouse. Microsoft already has some of the best development tools available which would help Nintendo create even better games even more quickly than before whilst ensuring supurb 3rd party support.
  3. They will not have to build their own next generation hardware, they can simply base it upon pre-existing technology which would speed time to market for them and allow them to focus on unique differentiating technologies rather than the box which is pretty irrelevant at this point once they have the form factor/power requirements inside the range they want.

Advantages Microsoft:

  1. Their Live network benefits from every additional user they can get. Its a network effect. So long as people are subscrbing to Live they are winning. The more subscribers they have the easier it is to gain additional subscribers, momentum is everything with networks; see Facebook vs Myspace for instance.
  2. They can leverage the cost of their hardware development over a wider and larger base of hardware which gives them leverage to work out even better deals with technology companies and this can lower the per unit cost quite considerably.
  3. It gives them an exit strategy in the console space if they want to take it. If they can carry on Live through Nintendo hardware even if they are no longer successful with their own they no longer have to take the risk of further losses on hardware.

 

advantages nintendo:

 

1. Sony would be able to do the same.. they aren't exactly nowhere to be seen when it comes to the network theyre console uses..

2. Wii and 360 audiences are VERY different from eachother.. although it could potentially work in the US

3. Don't see the advantage in that AT ALL

 

Advantages MS:

1. I doubt alot of Wii owners would pay 50$, €60 or 40 pounds for XBL..

2. Don't see how this works.. lol please explain it better.

3. I doubt MS wants to leave the console market and them needing the Wii to leave the console market is absurd..

Lets just say this...Nintendo would team with Microsoft any day vs Sony. None of them like Sony.