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lestatdark on 25 March 2010
fighter said:
jrpgs didn't evolve towards a mature audience the way other genres did


in most jrpgs you're stuck with the same trivial scenarios and unidimensional caracters (evil guy is being evil cause , hey, he is evil, cute caracters that require protection when they don't need it, strong independent ones that won't protect until they're in love, etc.)


Bioware games on the other hand have the most depth to their scenarios and their references are more mature than before.

Mass Effect 2 for example is being influenced by Dune (checks and balances across the galaxy, racial issues), Ender's Game (utilitarism and alienation) and other brilliant SF novels.

Actually, WRPG's haven't evolved into more mature audiences too, because it has always been it's focus since the Ultima days in the 80s. 

If anything, WRPG's have been stagnated just as much as JRPGs in the same categories, in terms of story-telling. Gameplay wise, WRPGs have deviated much from it's original roots, that's true, but so have JRPGs as well.

The only difference is that JRPGs have been doing it longer. New gameplay mechanics have been implemented on JRPGs since the SNES days, so innovation is hard to come by on the genre today. For WRPGs is easier to innovate because it still has lots of untapped territory to explore, as WRPGs have only recently begun to expand.

 



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Kasz216 on 25 March 2010

NEVER!

Though I do have to admit JRPGs have lost their "favored" status and I treat them like any other games now.

Back in the SNES/PS1 days I ALWAYS had a new RPG I was playing through. If it was Square or Enix based it was simply bought.

Now I treat them like any other genre. I don't think this is because of RPGs getting worse though but my tastes broadening.

Only "favored status" genre for me now is SRPGs.



Faxanadu on 25 March 2010

Halfway through Breath of Fire on Playstation.

I always stayed in love with ARPGs though, like Alundra or the Soulblazer Triology. Best stuff ever.



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lestatdark on 25 March 2010
Faxanadu said:
Halfway through Breath of Fire on Playstation.

I always stayed in love with ARPGs though, like Alundra or the Soulblazer Triology. Best stuff ever.

I've always seen Alundra more akin to a Zelda-esque type of game rather than an ARPG. Doesn't Alundra 2 fit more into the ARPG genre than Alundra?



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mirgro on 25 March 2010

Last JRPG I was able to play to the end was Golden Sun: The Lost Age. So I guess that's when and I wasn't even so much a fan of the story, it was just your ordinary JRPG bullshit, but the environmental puzzles I liked the most. I have high hopes for the new one coming out soon.



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r505Matt on 25 March 2010
lestatdark said:
fighter said:
jrpgs didn't evolve towards a mature audience the way other genres did


in most jrpgs you're stuck with the same trivial scenarios and unidimensional caracters (evil guy is being evil cause , hey, he is evil, cute caracters that require protection when they don't need it, strong independent ones that won't protect until they're in love, etc.)


Bioware games on the other hand have the most depth to their scenarios and their references are more mature than before.

Mass Effect 2 for example is being influenced by Dune (checks and balances across the galaxy, racial issues), Ender's Game (utilitarism and alienation) and other brilliant SF novels.

Actually, WRPG's haven't evolved into more mature audiences too, because it has always been it's focus since the Ultima days in the 80s. 

If anything, WRPG's have been stagnated just as much as JRPGs in the same categories, in terms of story-telling. Gameplay wise, WRPGs have deviated much from it's original roots, that's true, but so have JRPGs as well.

The only difference is that JRPGs have been doing it longer. New gameplay mechanics have been implemented on JRPGs since the SNES days, so innovation is hard to come by on the genre today. For WRPGs is easier to innovate because it still has lots of untapped territory to explore, as WRPGs have only recently begun to expand.

 

I agree, WRPGs are just as stagnant overall, they have always targeted a more mature audience, but the difference is we are getting older, and thus our perspective changes, so to most of us, WRPGs seem (keyword) new and different and more appealing to our tastes (run-on sentence much? =P ). In reality, it's merely our perspective that is changing, but that also suggests something about the target demographic of most JRPG, that to Westerners at least, the targeted audience seems to be younger (generally).

So it's not really about Mass Effect or Final Fantasy having more depth, it's about our perspective as gamers changing, and our tastes changing (for most of us at least) and finding this "new" genre (new to us).

So as was suggested before, maybe some of us are moving away from most JRPGs because our perspective is changing, and we crave a different, more mature type of gaming experience. 



g-value on 25 March 2010
fighter said:
jrpgs didn't evolve towards a mature audience the way other genres did


in most jrpgs you're stuck with the same trivial scenarios and unidimensional caracters (evil guy is being evil cause , hey, he is evil, cute caracters that require protection when they don't need it, strong independent ones that won't protect until they're in love, etc.)


Bioware games on the other hand have the most depth to their scenarios and their references are more mature than before.

Mass Effect 2 for example is being influenced by Dune (checks and balances across the galaxy, racial issues), Ender's Game (utilitarism and alienation) and other brilliant SF novels.

And how many jrpgs have you played?



g-value on 25 March 2010
r505Matt said:
lestatdark said:
fighter said:
jrpgs didn't evolve towards a mature audience the way other genres did


in most jrpgs you're stuck with the same trivial scenarios and unidimensional caracters (evil guy is being evil cause , hey, he is evil, cute caracters that require protection when they don't need it, strong independent ones that won't protect until they're in love, etc.)


Bioware games on the other hand have the most depth to their scenarios and their references are more mature than before.

Mass Effect 2 for example is being influenced by Dune (checks and balances across the galaxy, racial issues), Ender's Game (utilitarism and alienation) and other brilliant SF novels.

Actually, WRPG's haven't evolved into more mature audiences too, because it has always been it's focus since the Ultima days in the 80s. 

If anything, WRPG's have been stagnated just as much as JRPGs in the same categories, in terms of story-telling. Gameplay wise, WRPGs have deviated much from it's original roots, that's true, but so have JRPGs as well.

The only difference is that JRPGs have been doing it longer. New gameplay mechanics have been implemented on JRPGs since the SNES days, so innovation is hard to come by on the genre today. For WRPGs is easier to innovate because it still has lots of untapped territory to explore, as WRPGs have only recently begun to expand.

 

I agree, WRPGs are just as stagnant overall, they have always targeted a more mature audience, but the difference is we are getting older, and thus our perspective changes, so to most of us, WRPGs seem (keyword) new and different and more appealing to our tastes (run-on sentence much? =P ). In reality, it's merely our perspective that is changing, but that also suggests something about the target demographic of most JRPG, that to Westerners at least, the targeted audience seems to be younger (generally).

So it's not really about Mass Effect or Final Fantasy having more depth, it's about our perspective as gamers changing, and our tastes changing (for most of us at least) and finding this "new" genre (new to us).

So as was suggested before, maybe some of us are moving away from most JRPGs because our perspective is changing, and we crave a different, more mature type of gaming experience. 

I agree with this 100%. As people get older, some will eventually grow out of jrpgs since most jrpgs are aimed at teenagers.



NiKKoM on 25 March 2010

When they became emo......



 

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andremop on 25 March 2010

I've never gave up on them. But after I played Paper Mario - and its sequels and spin offs, i realized something. They're so much better than the Final Fantasies, Tales, Dragon Quests.

They're so much more fun and have...gasp, actual gameplay! A thing lacking in most Jrpgs, imo.