Somewhat. The wealthy will pay more, but it's not to subsidize the poor. Most of the money is "supposed" to come from cutting back on current Medicare/Medicaid expenditures for now. Also, it's not free coverage for the homeless or anything like that, it's more affordable coverages and closing insurance company loopholes.

@ dsister44- that is not a "spin free" document you have. In fact it's riddled with abusive language, not a good way to convince people of your point. Like the Texas Senator yelling "Baby killer!" at the house speaker when he was announcing the results of the vote.

Sorry, but this is not more protection.

In the US we used to have, you could take the results if your efforts, and protect the future of yourself, and your children. In the new US, the government taks that effort from you, and uses it for what they think is best for you.

You have more protection, only if you think the government can take care of you better then you can.

Yeah, I know it isn't "spin free". I just heard it on the radio and thought I'd post it. I wanted to keep track of this thread and didn't feel like just posting "tracking" or "tagged!"

Neugebauer is not a Senator, obviously, as he's a member of the House.

Stupak was not acting as the Speaker of the House, nor was he announcing the results of the vote. He was urging Democrats to vote against the motion to recommit.

Pedantic, maybe, but I just wanted to straighten that out.

Oh, so was it a breakdown of how dsister thinks about it or just something you found interesting? I'm really not trying to attack you, I just get a little riled when people get all one sided with these things and yell slander. Yes I realize I sound pretty one sided right now, I'm just trying to balance the negativity, trust me when I tell you I'm not happy with the requirement to have insurance, and fines if you don't?!?!?! WTF!!!

I'm glad you put something into the thread though, rather than just "tagged!".

Yep, you're right, I was ranting and didn't fact check first. We can all get a little caught up in this stuff apparently! But then who'd have thunk badgenome would have straightened me out? Now I know how to get a serious response from you! Muhuhahahahahaaaaaa!

I just found it interesting.

Though I will admit I was/am against the bill passing

So....big business has stolen our freedoms by using their obscene wealth to buy our government, and make it law to buy their products. Like I've said a hundred times before, in our modern age Capitalism+democracy=government by the corporation for the corporation. You can rally against big government in favor of big business, but there isn't a difference any more. Government is just business's mouthpiece and hammer.

Now do you guys see why we hate our government?

Actually I think it's the opposite.

The thing about health insurance companies is... they don't actually make a lot of money.  My guess is, the plan is to enact all of these changes that raise insurance companies costs... the refuse them the ability to raise rates too high.

Which will result in a great number of insurance companies going out of buisness leading to just a few, so it's easier to switch to a single payer plan.

Of course, in the interm tons of people will lose jobs, healthcare will be a bit chaotic unless the exchanges are rolled out first, and even then it'd be worrisome and probably permanently effect some peoples health.