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huaxiong90 on 21 March 2010
kiefer23 said:
huaxiong90 said:
freebs2 said:
If a Gears Of War clone, a call of duty clone and 2D platform with crappy controls and user content, an hack-slash game that can be completed triggering the square button is what this gen has best to offer we are going nowere

Yeah, god forbid other people have a different opinion from you. Hell, in fact, the clone remarks were pretty ignorant by themselves. If you knew anything about Killzone 2's shooting mechanics (or how Resistance and MAG's online set-up are, for that matter), I don't think you'd say that, or even Uncharted being a Gears clone when the cover system has been used before Gears not to mention it also has puzzle solving and platforming.

 

Learn to accept that not everybody shares your gaming tastes.

 

Anyways, OT:

 

Sony has yet to develop a game of quality matching Nintendo's franchises. But I think this gen they've done a great job, developing and publishing games of various genres. So to put it simply, Sony = better variety, and Nintendo = better exclusives.

Microsoft exclusives...while they're good, I don't think they're in the same league as that of Sony's or Nintendo's. That can change if they build a robust first party.

I didn't even know what he was referring to most of the time. I thought the GeOW clone was supposed to be Quantum (now multi-platform in the West) no idea about the COD clone and the 2D platformer which is actually 3D with really simple controls and great user content is obviously LittleBigPlanet. But that's not a clone of anything.

I'm assuming he's referring to Uncharted, because on youtube that's something I see 360 fanboys say.

 

I also don't see what's wrong with LittleBigPlanet's controls either, but I'm not going to call that out, especially when the comment that really stood out is "we're getting nowhere", with the "clone comments" following closely.



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gamelover2000 on 21 March 2010

MS has good online.. but theyre single player is often rubbish
Sony has okay online.. but the most online played games are likely to be multiplatform.. Single player is very often top notch (Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, GOW3)
Nintendo are the masters of replayability.. in sheer fun they are IMO undefeaten (although LBP is in that league) but in online they simply don't come close to the competition

conclusion:

If you feel like having a night of gaming, the Xbox 360 offers you a nice night of online Halo 3 or MW2

If you wan't something to spice up your parties, the Wii is all you need. It has alot of games that will keep your friends laughing

PS3 is something of all.. it has TOP NOTCH single player games, decent multiplayer (although likely not enough to have you going all night) and it has its fair share of party games (buzz, singstar, LBP)



Currently playing: MAG, Heavy Rain, Infamous

 

Getting Plat trophies for: Heavy Rain, Infamous, RE5,  Burnout and GOW collection once I get it.

 

palancas7 on 21 March 2010

Nintendo's 1st party > everything else.



 

pearljammer on 21 March 2010
MaxwellGT2000 said:
d21lewis said:
Sony games have a unique feel. I can't describe it. There are only a few Sony franchises that I LOVE. Nintendo and surprisingly, Microsoft have franchises that are nearer to my heart for whatever reason. I don't know. I guess I'll say this: When Sony is good, they're very good. When they're mediocre, Sony fans still love them. And that's O.K.

This is pretty much exactly how it is.  I mean everyone has their great games, everyone has some meh stuff as well, but man oh man, if that meh game is made by Sony there's gonna be people that love it, any word that it could just be average can start a fight, and you're right it is perfectly fine, just it's crazy to me to see any fanbase defend a game from what it is. 

To be honest, this gen I really feel Sony has made far better titles than they did last gen, they're really starting to return to the Sony I enjoyed during the PS1 era, but it took necessity for it to happen.  But in the end while they've tried to compete on just about every genre, with every developer/publisher, but still they haven't REALLY matched the quality of a Halo 3/CoD4 for FPS, or the Mario platformers for 2D/3D platformers. 

It's much like Sony is the jack of all trades and makes the great games that keep you busy/buying games, but they really lack that genre they just dominate at, and it's the best game of its genre.  Don't take me the wrong way here, since some of my top games this gen are Sony made, but they have never really shown to be a dominating force in any one genre, like many people don't even want to compete with Nintendo with platformers and that says volumes, though I would argue Sony has a good hold on the monkey catching sims (I'm really wanting news on Ape Escape 4)

Just my 2 cents.

Though I wouldn't say that they dominate, as Nintendo's been known to release some notable (bit of an understatement) games, but one could claim that they go toe-to-toe with anyone in the adventure genre. Ico and SotC are both at the pinnacle of their respective genre.

I'm not huge on sim racers, but I believe GT has dominated that genre for quite some time. I could be wrong here, as I simply do not pay that much attention.

They dominate the Karaoke genre as well, if it is to be seperated from the music genre as a whole, that is.

That's all I really could think of.

OT: Both Firem Emblem and Mario are among my most consistently favourite games. However, Sony has released quite a few of my favourite games in the past 9-10 years. It's difficult to choose really. And as it has been said several times already: this isn't Microsoft's strong suit, but that's fine so long as they keep finding ways to providing qulaity experiences on their console/OS.



Carl on 21 March 2010
scottie said:
Carl2291 said:
I'm no MS or Nintendo fan... But i want to put what i said in leo's thread in here anyway

1 They have the most IP's.
2 They have produced far more quality IP's this gen than either Nintendo or Microsoft Game Studio, possibly combined.
3 They don't rely fully on the same series' they have relied on since they first entered the market.
4 They have (or will have, soon) a game for every genre i can think of.
5 They produce games targetted at every group. From games like EyePet, LBP to God of War, Uncharted.


Most of this is either opinion, or true for nintendo as well

1 This one is true, and it is good that Sony can put out so many games per year.

2 Don't try to present that as fact, it's your opinion. in my opinion, Nintendo have produce far more quality IPs this gen than Sony and MS combined

3 See 2, imo Sony are very much developing sequelitis at the moment (killzone 3 coming soon for example), Nintendo is better than most companies for bringing out new IP, and actually changing things between releases of IP. ie no 2 zelda games are the same, no 2 Cod games are different.

4 So does Nintendo. infact, just on the Wii there is something for every genre from Nintendo

5 So do Nintendo, from games like Wii sports to Metroid, Fire Emblem. Infact, Sony's main problem is that they don't produce any bridge titles. They have lots aimed at 16-20 year old boys, and they have lots aimed at the very casual and kiddy markets. They don't have much aimed at females or males above 20

Isn't this entire thread built on peoples opinions? But anyway, i will answer what you said...

1. -
2. Opinions
3. Very debatable. Just this year we are seeing new IP's like MAG, ModNationRacers, The Last Guardian. The only PSone IP that they are using, AFAIK, is Gran Turismo. And a lot of them on PSone were very successful. Now with Nintendo... You just need to look at the previous E3. They showed 4 Mario games. FOUR. I know he sells well, but come on...
4. Nope. Wrong. Show me a Nintendo developed FPS on Wii. And if you say Metroid is an FPS, i will scowl at you ¬_¬
5. I would say they are about even on that point then, based on what you said. What i meant though, was more about the "rating" of the games.



                            

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Hephaestos on 21 March 2010
Rainbird said:
Hephaestos said:

@OP

I have PS1 PS2 and PSP. so i can mostly compare with these.

for Nintendo, I have to say that I was brought up with these, so I do have a particular fondness for them, for their humor, for their way of thinking, for their gameplay descisions. I would rate most Mario, zelda, metroid, punch out and a few other N game above any other.

Now for the other games, I haven't really been able to enjoy much first part sony games, what made the strengh of the system in the past was 3rd party support. I still do have a fondness for GoW, and grand tourismo, but although these games are the best in their segment, there are very worthy altrenatives, something that is not so for N games. The only game that particularly interests me in the PS3 catalog would be Uncharted, the other I just see as either uninteresting or just slightly above alternatives.

For MS games, well I do like halo... but I play on PC and FPS are just meh to me on consoles... My attraction for the green brand was mostly multiplats and the price. I do like the exclusives like ME, fable and LO.
The only game in the MS exclusivity that I crave is gears. (strangely I have no problem playing a slow TPS with a controler)

So in all, i'd put MS and sony about on par for quality, but I still believe that the minds at Nintendo are the only ones that know how to make fun games, not just by luck but by planning for it.

You should rephrase that, it basically discredits your entire post. What I hear you saying is that Nintendo is the only company capable of creating fun games on purpose, and games like LittleBigPlanet, PixelJunk Monsters, SingStar and Buzz are only fun by accident.

You mean my opinion being contrary to other's is discrediting my post?

I do think companies like blizzard or valve are capable of doing it too.

This thread is about first party however, and for me, the only company that can say "let's make a fun game" and actually make it 100% of the time is N.

The others think more like "what will sell to mature audience?" "oh yeah, let's have kratos rip a head off!" or "let's put 1000 cars, even though it'll delay the game for 6 years and people will barely ever use half of them, the fact that we have 1000 and others don't will make us sell more". It's not the correct mindset and as was proven this gen, what really sells anyways is in fact the funfactor.

 



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Mr Khan on 21 March 2010
Kage848 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
d21lewis said:
Sony games have a unique feel. I can't describe it. There are only a few Sony franchises that I LOVE. Nintendo and surprisingly, Microsoft have franchises that are nearer to my heart for whatever reason. I don't know. I guess I'll say this: When Sony is good, they're very good. When they're mediocre, Sony fans still love them. And that's O.K.

This is pretty much exactly how it is.  I mean everyone has their great games, everyone has some meh stuff as well, but man oh man, if that meh game is made by Sony there's gonna be people that love it, any word that it could just be average can start a fight, and you're right it is perfectly fine, just it's crazy to me to see any fanbase defend a game from what it is. 

To be honest, this gen I really feel Sony has made far better titles than they did last gen, they're really starting to return to the Sony I enjoyed during the PS1 era, but it took necessity for it to happen.  But in the end while they've tried to compete on just about every genre, with every developer/publisher, but still they haven't REALLY matched the quality of a Halo 3/CoD4 for FPS, or the Mario platformers for 2D/3D platformers. 

It's much like Sony is the jack of all trades and makes the great games that keep you busy/buying games, but they really lack that genre they just dominate at, and it's the best game of its genre.  Don't take me the wrong way here, since some of my top games this gen are Sony made, but they have never really shown to be a dominating force in any one genre, like many people don't even want to compete with Nintendo with platformers and that says volumes, though I would argue Sony has a good hold on the monkey catching sims (I'm really wanting news on Ape Escape 4)

Just my 2 cents.

I would like to speak on the bolded part.

I have to say i have come to a realization recently that makes me very happy inside. The current Sony fan base are truely hardcore. Not because they play M rated games or own a lot of game but because they are true Sony fans and are very pationate. I respect that a lot. The casuals and some of the hardcore PS2 fanbase jumped ship to the Wii and 360. Now most of whats left of PS3 owners, at least up to this point, is the real Sony fans. The kind of fan that really digs the PS3 games and the Sony game's. This is the flipside of me. I'm the same way with my Wii and Nintendo. I'm very pationate about Nintendo and the Wii. The thing i really love about this site is people like me and the Sony fans on this site, or at least most of them, can get along because eventhough we are pationate we can repect the other console's games, even if we don't like the. Some Sony fans don't like SMG but they have to respect it, the same way i HATE UC2 and Heavy Rain, but i can respect them.

A little off topic here but there it is. Sony fans i salute you. Now I'm going to go back to the best PS3 and the best Baseball game ever made, MLB 10 The Show.

PS: @MaxwellGT200: Sony does domiate in one genre. The baseball game because The Show is teh bet game evar!!!!11!!1!!!!!

GO METS!

This is a good point. Much like how the modern Nintendo fan was forged in the N64 generation, such that the Nintendo fans grew particularly attached to Nintendo franchises specifically (and moreso in the GameCube times when Rare support was lost), you're seeing the same thing on PS3 now. The people with no particular attachment to Sony games have no particular reason to buy PS3, so you're finally seeing a distinct "Sony" flavor emerge.



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Rainbird on 21 March 2010
Hephaestos said:
Rainbird said:
Hephaestos said:

So in all, i'd put MS and sony about on par for quality, but I still believe that the minds at Nintendo are the only ones that know how to make fun games, not just by luck but by planning for it.

You should rephrase that, it basically discredits your entire post. What I hear you saying is that Nintendo is the only company capable of creating fun games on purpose, and games like LittleBigPlanet, PixelJunk Monsters, SingStar and Buzz are only fun by accident.

You mean my opinion being contrary to other's is discrediting my post?

I do think companies like blizzard or valve are capable of doing it too.

This thread is about first party however, and for me, the only company that can say "let's make a fun game" and actually make it 100% of the time is N.

The others think more like "what will sell to mature audience?" "oh yeah, let's have kratos rip a head off!" or "let's put 1000 cars, even though it'll delay the game for 6 years and people will barely ever use half of them, the fact that we have 1000 and others don't will make us sell more". It's not the correct mindset and as was proven this gen, what really sells anyways is in fact the funfactor.

No, I mean that you should rephrase it because it is a trollish comment. What you said was basically that Sony and Microsoft can't set out to create a fun game and succeed, and the only thing preventing you from being 100% wrong is that fun is subjective.

What you are saying now is however different from what you said initially, and is something I can agree more with (though not entirely as again, fun is very much subjective).

I have to disagree with the last one though. Again, fun is subjective, and if every game made was a Nintendo game, gaming would probably become pretty boring. But if you think the funfactor that you see in Nintendo games is the only thing people want, then you are oh so wrong.

God of War 3 for example, is an exhilerating thrillride that keeps you on your toes and makes you crave for more when you play through it. That's why it's set to sell as much as 1.4 million copies in its first week (according to ioi), because it is awesome and fun, even if it is different from a Nintendo game. Gran Turismo 5 is going to sell millions to car enthusiasts out there who can get to play a realistic racing simulator with a greater scope than anything else on the market. How will they ever get that from Nintendo? And even if the game should have been out earlier, are you ready to say that the people who bought previous games in the series didn't have fun with it?

Just because you don't see the fun in it doesn't mean others don't.



Bamboleo on 21 March 2010

I prefer simple facebook games over some complex home consoles games.

I like tetris better than GTA.


I think I'm the wrong guy to answer those questions.



tehsage on 21 March 2010

I'm confused a bit. We seem to talk about Sony as a publisher. Who cares if they publish the game? Shouldn't we be discussing Sony the developer?

What games have Sony developed?(Serious question since the PS3 is my first PlayStation)