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Forums - Sales - PS3 will never catch the the 360 now. Wii won a long time ago.

CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
theprof00 said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:
This thread shouldn't continue to exist. It's apparent from the first sentence what the intention was.

Oh please, there's literally nothing controversial in the OP, and the discussion's moved past that anyway.  This thread's like 1000 times more engaging and worthwhile than yet another "guess GOW3/GT5/FFXIII/HeavyRain/etc sales" thread that been clogging up the forum.

Hmmmm......

"PS3 has played all their trump cards almost (slim, price reduction) and only have one left - GT5. GOW3 etc will sell 4 million but they will not be system sellers as people who want these generic games already have a PS3, same goes for Halo Reach on the 360....it will selll 10 milllion but won't push systems for more than a week or 2.

Right.............nothing controversial in the slightest. It's really a shame that people in the community think this is ok, but oh well.

Someone finds your holy cows generic.  Welcome to the internet.

I'm not seeing the controversy here.  People say this stuff all the time, about all games.

Do you know what controversy means? If it didn't cause any, why has this thread gone on to attract so many posts? Hint: it isn't because the OP was nice and rosey.

Sorry, I should've specified nothing controversial to rational adults.  If you think otherwise, you really need a thicker skin.

What is being argued here? I agree that if someone is going to post an OP like that, they are going to get flamed and jeered. OP has nobody to blame but himself, IMO doesn't cut it. Next time, he should word his OP so that it is actually reasonable and thought out. Not just him talking to the internet.

What's being argued here is wether or not the thread should be closed.  I probably went too far with "nothing controversial", what I really should've said is "nothing controversial enough to warrant closing".

CGI has this habit of attacking motivations rather than the arguments themselves, and it takes discussions personal.  He's done it to me before, and he's doing it here.  Nothing's more tired than pulling the bias card...

The OP said some things that shouldn't been ignored and obviously many in the community agree.

As for you specifically, it isn't about bias, you just have a habit of downplaying most things. But that's another thread, it's redudant and you know you do it. You've admitted to it.

I'm not saying the OP should be ignored, I'm saying there's nothing worth some moderation action in it.  Debate away to your heart's content, that's what the forum's for.  But debat on substance, don't attack on intent.

And yes, bias is exactly the logical conclusion where your little smart comments led.  As for the rest, I'm done with this offtopic diversion, it's already gotten too personal for my liking.  Unlike some, I come to VGC to argue facts, not personalities...



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CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
theprof00 said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:
This thread shouldn't continue to exist. It's apparent from the first sentence what the intention was.

Oh please, there's literally nothing controversial in the OP, and the discussion's moved past that anyway.  This thread's like 1000 times more engaging and worthwhile than yet another "guess GOW3/GT5/FFXIII/HeavyRain/etc sales" thread that been clogging up the forum.

Hmmmm......

"PS3 has played all their trump cards almost (slim, price reduction) and only have one left - GT5. GOW3 etc will sell 4 million but they will not be system sellers as people who want these generic games already have a PS3, same goes for Halo Reach on the 360....it will selll 10 milllion but won't push systems for more than a week or 2.

Right.............nothing controversial in the slightest. It's really a shame that people in the community think this is ok, but oh well.

Someone finds your holy cows generic.  Welcome to the internet.

I'm not seeing the controversy here.  People say this stuff all the time, about all games.

Do you know what controversy means? If it didn't cause any, why has this thread gone on to attract so many posts? Hint: it isn't because the OP was nice and rosey.

Sorry, I should've specified nothing controversial to rational adults.  If you think otherwise, you really need a thicker skin.

What is being argued here? I agree that if someone is going to post an OP like that, they are going to get flamed and jeered. OP has nobody to blame but himself, IMO doesn't cut it. Next time, he should word his OP so that it is actually reasonable and thought out. Not just him talking to the internet.

What's being argued here is wether or not the thread should be closed.  I probably went too far with "nothing controversial", what I really should've said is "nothing controversial enough to warrant closing".

CGI has this habit of attacking motivations rather than the arguments themselves, and it takes discussions personal.  He's done it to me before, and he's doing it here.  Nothing's more tired than pulling the bias card...

The OP said some things that shouldn't been ignored and obviously many in the community agree.

As for you specifically, it isn't about bias, you just have a habit of downplaying most things. But that's another thread, it's redudant and you know you do it. You've admitted to it.

I'm not saying the OP should be ignored, I'm saying there's nothing worth some moderation action in it.  Debate away to your heart's content, that's what the forum's for.  But debat on substance, don't attack on intent.

And yes, bias is exactly the logical conclusion where your little smart comments led.  As for the rest, I'm done with this offtopic diversion, it's already gotten too personal for my liking.  Unlike some, I come to VGC to argue facts, not personalities...

Incorrect, but I'll leave it be.

I love the hypocrisy of your parting shot.  The end.



cool story Hansel.  </ zoolander>

As long as the console(s) you have are getting the games you want, what's the issue with sales?



CGI-Quality said:
Hammertime said:

GOW3 is generic has it is basically GOW2 with better graphics. GT5 is GT4 with better graphics but it may hopefully bring something new to the table, but I doubt it - nothing new and they appeal to the exact same crowd as the last generation.

Games like NSMB, Wii Sports Resort, Nintendogs, Wii Fit are NOT generic....they are new styles that appeal to new gamers hence the reason all the Nintendo games I mentioned will sell well over 20 million, possibly 30 million.....wheras GOW3 will be about 4 million as it has no appeal to new gamers.

Same goes for Halo Reach...you will run around shooting things with good graphics...basically Halo 3 with better graphics. The only people interested in Halo Reach are the exact same ones who bout Halo 3....your generic gamer who never changes.

If you can get sales of 30 million, then you know you are no longer generic.

Now, let's see. How should people take a post like thi?

@ Jarrod: You can go on pretending that his behavior is ok, or that I'm just looking to judge personalities, but this is the proof in the pudding. The "fact" is, this thread wasn't made just to have a rational/reasonable discussion. That's all I care for. What purpose does a post like this serve?

I'm pretty sure the purpose this post serves is satire.

*whoosh!*



CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
theprof00 said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:
This thread shouldn't continue to exist. It's apparent from the first sentence what the intention was.

Oh please, there's literally nothing controversial in the OP, and the discussion's moved past that anyway.  This thread's like 1000 times more engaging and worthwhile than yet another "guess GOW3/GT5/FFXIII/HeavyRain/etc sales" thread that been clogging up the forum.

Hmmmm......

"PS3 has played all their trump cards almost (slim, price reduction) and only have one left - GT5. GOW3 etc will sell 4 million but they will not be system sellers as people who want these generic games already have a PS3, same goes for Halo Reach on the 360....it will selll 10 milllion but won't push systems for more than a week or 2.

Right.............nothing controversial in the slightest. It's really a shame that people in the community think this is ok, but oh well.

Someone finds your holy cows generic.  Welcome to the internet.

I'm not seeing the controversy here.  People say this stuff all the time, about all games.

Do you know what controversy means? If it didn't cause any, why has this thread gone on to attract so many posts? Hint: it isn't because the OP was nice and rosey.

Sorry, I should've specified nothing controversial to rational adults.  If you think otherwise, you really need a thicker skin.

What is being argued here? I agree that if someone is going to post an OP like that, they are going to get flamed and jeered. OP has nobody to blame but himself, IMO doesn't cut it. Next time, he should word his OP so that it is actually reasonable and thought out. Not just him talking to the internet.

What's being argued here is wether or not the thread should be closed.  I probably went too far with "nothing controversial", what I really should've said is "nothing controversial enough to warrant closing".

CGI has this habit of attacking motivations rather than the arguments themselves, and it takes discussions personal.  He's done it to me before, and he's doing it here.  Nothing's more tired than pulling the bias card...

The OP said some things that shouldn't been ignored and obviously many in the community agree.

As for you specifically, it isn't about bias, you just have a habit of downplaying most things. But that's another thread, it's redudant and you know you do it. You've admitted to it.

I'm not saying the OP should be ignored, I'm saying there's nothing worth some moderation action in it.  Debate away to your heart's content, that's what the forum's for.  But debat on substance, don't attack on intent.

And yes, bias is exactly the logical conclusion where your little smart comments led.  As for the rest, I'm done with this offtopic diversion, it's already gotten too personal for my liking.  Unlike some, I come to VGC to argue facts, not personalities...

Incorrect, but I'll leave it be.

I love the hypocrisy of your parting shot.  The end.

Do me a favor: look at the post I quoted, it's relevant.

I already said the end.  Sorry.



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Microsoft needs to find a way to sell 360s in Japan, while Sony needs to find a way to sell PS3s faster in North America.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

People don't forget that the 360 came out 1 year earlier than the Wii and the PS3.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

Slight disagree as on current trends, and assuming full LTD with both consoles having roughly same time on the market - i.e. PS3 gets an extra year after 360 disappears - then PS3 will end up selling a little more from the looks of things so full LTD it will make up the gap unless 360 stays on market longer to deny it a clear year or so of sales at the end of its life.

Wii would indeed appear to have won on an individual console basis.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

CGI-Quality said:
BoneArk said:
People don't forget that the 360 came out 1 year earlier than the Wii and the PS3.

Hasn't seemed to hurt the Wii's chances of victory.

PS3 will finish 2nd, this is my prediction.



Sony has thrown everything they possibly can at their competitors - endless PS3 bundles and models, 50% price reduction in 3 years, PS3 slim, motion controller announcement, GTA4, MW2, Uncharted, MAG, etc. - yet still is in 3rd. I don't really see what else Sony has left. GT5 like you said, but what else? Could they really afford yet another price drop already? What happens when the PS3 is $100 and still gets outsold? Where do they go from there? Though you have to give Sony credit for all the effort they are putting into their console to try and push it towards success. They've definitely improved matters but at the end of the day they are still in 3rd.

You could argue that this is largely due to MS releasing the console a year earlier but that Sony's fault for not releasing the PS3 earlier. Halo Reach will do some damage but beyond that MS doesn't seem to have much up its sleeve either. I can't really see Natal taking off, but it certainly has a better chance of being a hit than the Move. A 6 million gap is not an easy one to make up. In the end, I think these two consoles will be virtually tied, with 360 maybe having a slight edge, from the strength of having a cheaper price, strong library, year head start, and perhaps some boost from Natal.

Nintendo, well what is there to say, they have had only one price drop in 34 months and only one model, with a sorry excuse for 3rd party support, and they continue to dominate. NSMB Wii will sell on forever and provide the console a lift for at least another year. The Wii is simply the king of the evergreen titles while most HD hits sell a ton the first week then drop like a rock, never to be seen again. Then there is the big wild card, the Vitality Sensor, which could be another major hit, or do nothing. And they have yet to really use the motion plus to their advantage.