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I think we have the same confusion over US/America and Europe/others. It would make the site more professional if they came up with some clear definitions. BTW I don't think there will be a lot of consoles sold in Myanmar.. Highly developed countries in Asia besides Japan are South Korea, Taiwan, Hongkong, Singapore (Asian Tigers) with people earning $10k to $20k per year on average. Emerging countries include Malaysia and Thailand. In other countries most people earn below $1000 per year. I think you can still sell a $99 PS2 in decent numbers in Thailand, but not in Vietnam or Indonesia.



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i think add 10% of japanese hardware sales and that should be about right for the rest of asia/east asia. add 10% to europe, NA, and japan sales is probably about right for the worldwide totals.



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Japan and Asia are completely different. Asia is a HUGE place - dwarfing the US, Europe - and most of the world (China alone has more population that Europe + US combined!). All the territories are different, and different consoles launch in different countries at different times. From a sales point of view, I can see two options: a) Replace "Japan", with "Asia" - and have a country by country breakdown. b) Add a 4th territory - "Asia" - which excludes Japan completely. This would include (but not be limited to): HongKong, China, Taiwan, Singapore, Korea, Mayalsia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Philippines. The major territories are HongKong, Singapore, Taiwan & Korea. China (more?) rarely gets consoles (ironic considering most are made there!). Singapore is "culturally" close to the West, and gets a lot of stuff that Australia gets. Taiwan is a bit of both (and is technically a part of China - politically anyway). And Korea is a huge (PC) gaming market - Nintendo stated they were going to target Korea as a market. Some countries are PAL - and some are NTSC (not sure which). I think extrapolating *any* figures for these regions (from Japan) is completely wrong. Some of the markets are huge, and deserve to be counted in their own rights. And shipments are never sent to Japan, then "split" to other Asian regions. My question to everyone - is Australia / NZ actually part of Europe, or part of Asia. ... Im not sure how sales figures are stored (re: this site) at the back-end, but maybe something like this would work: - maintain a list of every individual country/territory (no overlap between each) - mark each country/region with a list of attributes, defining where it is. Some example attributes could include "Asia", "Japan", "Southern Hemisphere", "Europe", "UK", etc.. As far as the main figures go, always possible to have a "Rest of World" - and show a list of countries that are counted.



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I know PS2 consoles sold in Hong Kong and Taiwan can also play NTSC-J games, and they can also get some copies when the NTSC-J version of a game launches. For example, when Final Fantasy XII was released in Japan in March 16th, 2006, there were some copies that were released in Hong Kong and Taiwan also. It's just the packaging is a little different (the instruction manual is in Chinese, the box is in Chinese), and the game itself is in Japanese. I think the Japan sales figures already contained sales in HK and Taiwan. But for those regions where PAL tvs are used, they are better for the "Others" part. As in the case of South Korea and mainland China... they are NTSC-K and NTSC-C, respectively, so the sales figures in these two regions are counted seperately from Japan (if there's actually some agencies to count these figures at all...) I don't remember HK and Taiwan had a similar region code. If there's one then they should be counted seperately.



I would be glad to know the situations about my place, but in mainland China the situation is too complicated, as it is mostly dominated by imports (which is counted in other regions already, i.e. when you bought a import NTSC-J game it is counted as a "Japan" purchase) and piracy (which will boost domestic hardware sales a little bit, but not software). Although domestic hardware/software do appear in mainland China, their numbers are small (except for NDSL which has become the choice instead of imported ones), and so far no agency I know has tracked on that. p.s. There's a theory that about 3M-5M PSPs has imported in China through illegal means... I will translate that article if anyone is interested.



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shams said: My question to everyone - is Australia / NZ actually part of Europe, or part of Asia.
I would call it Australasia Map: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Australasia_Mappa.png Australasia is Australia, New Zealand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapur and Oceanic



Jakaiwa said: shams said: My question to everyone - is Australia / NZ actually part of Europe, or part of Asia. I would call it Australasia Map: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Australasia_Mappa.png Australasia is Australia, New Zealand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapur and Oceanic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceania Oceania would be a better choice, but both are used. Oceania maybe more widely used.



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I agree with you PS360N64PSXBOX but Australasia consist of Australia and Asia. I think that would be better because most humans can imagine what that is. But Oceanic is good too.



PS360N64PSXBOX said: Jakaiwa said: shams said: My question to everyone - is Australia / NZ actually part of Europe, or part of Asia. I would call it Australasia Map: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Australasia_Mappa.png Australasia is Australia, New Zealand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapur and Oceanic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceania Oceania would be a better choice, but both are used. Oceania maybe more widely used.
Sure, I was talking more in terms of charting sales - rather than geographically. But most correct regardless! ;)



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ioi said: I think, for simplicity and consistency, we should stick with Japan, Americas, Others, but will be splitting Others up more in the future as we get more data. Quick question - do you like 'Others' as a label? ROTW? PAL (although not really true)?
Personally, I'd like to see Europe and ROTW split into two. I know it might be a pain in terms of the site, but I think its relatively important (and that Europe is concentrated enough to be counted as one). Another emerging (and important) country for ROTW is India (not under Japan or Europe is it)? Any official figures for the 360 sales there BTW? (I saw a 30k a while back, but no idea how true it was...). In terms of labels, I am happy with "Others" - I think its pretty clear :) So... - Japan (deserves to be on its own - includes some small asia territories) - North America (USA + Canada) - Europe (UK, Germany, France, Spain, etc...) - Others (Oceania, India, etc) ???



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