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Jordahn on 09 March 2010
jesus kung fu magic said:
Vergis said:
Im guessing cause most people ( Like me ) remember what Microsoft really are....

Gaming belongs to Nintendo ( im saying that not even liking the wii ) Sega and Sony for bringing into a new era.

Microsoft bought their way in for easy $$$

I hate them with a passion lol

You represent everything that is wrong with gaming forums......no offense though.

Why?  The guy seems to have an appreciation for the progress, competition, and advancement of gaming while denouncing anti-competitive means.



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NightAntilli on 09 March 2010
Jordahn said:
Usually the way you judge others is a reflection of your own attitude. Therefore after that's been displayed, the 360 owners as a whole responding in this thread are the ones really being negative. Just saying, just and observation.

If someone came into your garden every day and shouted the whole time that your house is ugly, at some point, you will get annoyed.



Truth does not fear investigation

Black RL on 09 March 2010
jesus kung fu magic said:
Vergis said:
Im guessing cause most people ( Like me ) remember what Microsoft really are....

Gaming belongs to Nintendo ( im saying that not even liking the wii ) Sega and Sony for bringing into a new era.

Microsoft bought their way in for easy $$$

I hate them with a passion lol

You represent everything that is wrong with gaming forums......no offense though.

And you are right Jesus (no offense either). For example SONY killed SEGA (the oldest ones will remember) and I didn't like that in the past, it's bad to our industry. Now I have the 360 and PS3 but I hugely support the 360 because I don't want SONY to dominate alone, and thank god that the Wii came and "saved" NINTENDO. We need at least 2 or 3 good companies in the industry so we don't get "rape" by them with bad games, bad services, huge prices etc. For example, if PS3 has a HD you can thank the first XBOX, that's right, everyone talks about the built-in HD in the PS3 but the first XBOX was the one to have it, if it hasn't MICROSOFT we were stucked with high priced and low memory memory cards from SONY....

And let's not forget about the online, if it weren't XBOX LIVE PSN service would be crap. The same applies for the 360, if SONY wouldn't exist they wouldn't acknowledged the RROD problem, if SONY wouldn't exist they wouldn't drop the 360 price, if SONY wouldn't exist XBOX LIVE would cost more, etc.....

Different companies are needed if we want good games, good hardware and good services.




Black RL on 09 March 2010
NightAntilli said:
Jordahn said:
Usually the way you judge others is a reflection of your own attitude. Therefore after that's been displayed, the 360 owners as a whole responding in this thread are the ones really being negative. Just saying, just and observation.

If someone came into your garden every day and shouted the whole time that your house is ugly, at some point, you will get annoyed.

Quoted for the truth.

And let's not forget that our garden is beautifull, with flowers like Gears, HALO, FORZA and others.




dirkd2323 on 09 March 2010

Yes there can be, Its because Both PS3 and 360 fans are always trying to , one up them, Just like when Mass Effect 2 came out and 360 fans were saying its better then Uncharted 2 Ps3 fans, Deal with it, That was not needed, people were not getting banned, Someone can call someone a fanboy with good iintent and be banned, does not make much sense to me, I love video games, I own both PS3 and 360 , if people stop taking cheap shots , and when someone gives an opinion that is different from yours, relax , that is what this site is supposed to be about , discussion, but they are quick to ban someone when a opinion is given that is not agreed with. We are all mostly men here, lets act like it.



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Dallinor on 09 March 2010
mundus6 said:
Least Xbox 360 folks on here. Which is weird since there are clearly more 360 owners than PS3 owners. And there is definitely more hardcore gamers on 360 than the Wii. But i guess most people that use this site has been here since last gen.

Owners may not equal the total fanbase of a console. There have infact been many long standing posters here who supported one console over another since launch but hadn't actually purchased it.

There's probably an age gap between the hardcore on the Wii and on the 360. The 360 hardcore is probably many gamers in their mid to late teens, while the Nintendo hardcore could be up in their 30's or 40's. I'd reckon a sales and stats website might be more appealing to an older crowd.

This site only really started to gain popularity as this gen got underway. The membership would have been tiny before then.

 

 



 

Jordahn on 09 March 2010
NightAntilli said:
Jordahn said:
Usually the way you judge others is a reflection of your own attitude. Therefore after that's been displayed, the 360 owners as a whole responding in this thread are the ones really being negative. Just saying, just and observation.

If someone came into your garden every day and shouted the whole time that your house is ugly, at some point, you will get annoyed.

With that attitude, it tell me that that persons intentions are ugly whether my house is or isn't ugly.



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arminuk on 09 March 2010

because most people in this website are ps3 fans and even owner of the website never say anything good about xbox 360



Scoobes on 09 March 2010
selnor said:
Scoobes said:
selnor said:
Scoobes said:

Do we know what the developers use PPE's for and how efficiently the 360's 3 cores are utilised? As far as I'm aware most of the power hungry stuff is shifted to the GPUs and in the PS3's case the SPEs. As far as I'm aware AI and physics are mainly covered on the CPUs but physics can also be done on the GPU and more efficiently, and I didn't think AI was particularly power hungry.

On PC I'm running on an AMD 3800 X2 (V.old) and games run fine whilst looking better than most console games as I'm running on an 8800GTS GPU.

Compared to a modern personal computer, the relatively high overall floating point performance of a Cell processor seemingly dwarfs the abilities of the SIMD unit in desktop CPUs like the Pentium 4 and the Athlon 64. However, comparing only floating point abilities of a system is a one-dimensional and application-specific metric. Unlike a Cell processor, such desktop CPUs are more suited to the general purpose software usually run on personal computers. In addition to executing multiple instructions per clock, processors from Intel and AMD feature branch predictors. The Cell is designed to compensate for this with compiler assistance, in which prepare-to-branch instructions are created. For double-precision floating point operations, as sometimes used in personal computers and often used in scientific computing, Cell performance drops by an order of magnitude, but still reaches 20.8 GFLOPS ( Theoretical 1.8 GFLOPS per SPE, 6.4 GFLOPS per PPE). The PowerXCell 8i variant, which was specifically designed for double-precision, reaches 102.4 GFLOPS in double-precision calculations.

But from the tests we know An individual SPU on it's own has an actual GFLOP of 1.4 not 1.8. and further when using more together the efficiency decreases. as 8 SPU's only mnage 9.46 GFLOPS. Whereas 1.4 x 8 should be giving 11.2 GFLOPS not 9.46.

So as you can see, Sony through around the theoretical numbers of PS3 Cell. Didnt mention to their customers that it was based on 8 SPU Cell when the PS3 would only have 7 available with a further locked for Linux help. And then further forgot to mention that in real world terms it gets nowhere near 218GFLOPS.

 

I'm actually more interested in knowing what and how developers actually use the CPUs as my current belief is that the CPUs on both consoles haven't really been utilised fully. What exactly do developers use the 3 cores and the SPUs on the HD consoles for and how efficiently are they being used?

And as for the numbers, MS and Sony love to throw out BS numbers to make their respective console sound good. Anyway they can think of to inflate the numbers to outdo the competition and say "My cock is much bigger than yours!". I think the lesson is to not listen to bullcrap PR.

Yes. I understand that First Party Sony devs use SPU's to help out the inferiority in RSX. But then tha is taking away resources for CPU intensive tasks like, physics, AI and Cross edging. This is why it's always important to look at whole systems and never just one component.

Yes but how intense are those tasks and how far are they pushing the CPU? That's what I really want to know. How much of an effect is the SPU use (GPU type tasks) having on those tasks normally carried out by the CPU and how much do those tasks take up in the 3 cores of the 360. I reckon the 360's CPU could have a lot of free power that could still be utilised in most games.

Also... what's cross edging? I did a quick google search and it just comes up with X-Edge the game.




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Kynes on 09 March 2010
CGI-Quality said:
Kynes said:
The fact is that CGI is often mentioned when people talk about unbiased people, and this shows that this community leans toward the PS3... He's unbiased in the eyes of the PS3 fanboys, because he is less biased than them, but it doesn't mean he is unbiased, as this thread clearly shows.

I'm not saying that leaning towards a console is bad per se, but I find funny that there are people who think of him as an impartial and unbiased gamer.

Actually, I was providing factual evidence to a person that doesn't listen to reason. Too bad you missed that, but oh well. You're right though, I have a preference, no denying that, but I'm also all about fairness, though I'm not here to please you or anyone else. The bottomline, this thread made it seem like the 360 fanbase, or 360 threads are the only places that are disrupted by "rvial fans". I defended all three in here, but as usual, if you have a preference, "you're a fanboy", or terribly 'biased".

I think some of you see what you want to see, but again, that's not something that I can control, nor care to. And I'm out on that note, you guys should try playing games from time to time. You may find it more entertaining than bickering about who's "better" or "worse". Unlike some people here, many of us have all the consoles and really find much else to be trivial, despite preferences, which everyone has.

Relax, CGI, don't get so defensive. I've never said that you are a fanboy. I've only said that:

1.- You are not neutral, as yourself said, and that the majority of the forumers that see you as an unbiased guy should be less neutral/more PS3 biased than you.

2.- Lots of forumers see you as a neutral guy.

 

So the conclusion is that lots of forumers are more biased towards the PS3. I don't think it's that offensive.