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Poor soul, he's alone in his crusade:

Michael Pachter of Wedbush Morgan Securities today released an updated video game forecast for the U.S. and European markets through 2013. Other than a so called "Wii HD," Pachter does not think that any new consoles will hit the market for the next four years, and his forecasts are based on this assumption. A number of executives have commented that this generation of consoles would have a much longer than traditional cycle, and the impending launches of Project Natal and Sony's "Arc" could play a role in that. 

Looking at the game software market (combined U.S. and Europe) for the next several years, Pachter's forecast shows 5% growth in 2010, 7% in 2011, 8% in 2012 and 5% in 2013 "with slight variations between the regions." Breaking it down between U.S. and Europe for this year, Pachter sees Europe growing more (7% vs. 4% in the U.S.) but both regions will experience hardware declines. Total hardware is expected to reach 52.0 million compared to 60.1 million last year. The forecast shows sales of 1.4 million PS2s, 9.8 million PS3s, 3.1 million PSPs, 9.0 million Xbox 360s, 14.7 million Wiis, and 14.0 million DS units.

Regarding tie ratios, Pachter continued, "Our forecast projects that video game software unit sales (console, handheld and PC) will grow to 562 million (from 520 million last year), reflecting a decline in tie ratios of approximately 10% and a decline in average pricing of around 2.5%. In contrast, tie ratios declined approximately 25% and prices declined approximately 3.1% in 2009; we think that the larger than normal drop-off in tie ratios in 2009 was attributable primarily to a decline in demand for music genre games, and we think that further demand declines for the genre will be less impactful in 2010, allowing tie ratios to decline at a more normal rate."



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If any new console appears in the next two years I will be really upset.



Is that clown still banging on about Wii HD.

He might be a little worried that no one at Nintendo has a clue about this plan and the roadmap for SD Wii is currently running well into 2011.

Maybe he has become delusional and thinks if he says something it will just happen.

Or maybe in 3-4 years when the nex gen starts and Nintendo do release an updated console, he will jump up and down screaming "see i told you.....I told you all" !



LoL, what a tool.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

Sure Patcher, keep pounding the Wii HD idea into the ground. Maybe if you repeat it enough, it'll come true!



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Either he is meaning only America's and Europe's Wii hardware sales, or he is tottaly crazy that the Wii will sell only 14 millin this year.



Above: still the best game of the year.

Wii will only see an itteration if Nintendo can pull off a DSi like move. Essentially get a DSi and most games are still cross compatible. I just don't see it happening though.



Squilliam: On Vgcharts its a commonly accepted practice to twist the bounds of plausibility in order to support your argument or agenda so I think its pretty cool that this gives me the precedent to say whatever I damn well please.

Beuli2 said:
Either he is meaning only America's and Europe's Wii hardware sales, or he is tottaly crazy that the Wii will sell only 14 millin this year.

Japan only sold 2.1m out of 22.5m sold WW. I would say he is giving US numbers only, but ~10m for PS3 is double what it did in 09 for the US.

Obviously Patcher is predicting his normal doom and gloom for the Wii, as that would be a massive 37% decline world wide compared to a 21% drop for the PS3.

edit: my percentages may be slightly off due to using WW figures rather than US + Europe which may be his actual prediction. Either way, a much larger drop for Wii than the other hardware.




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The introduction of new motion controls gives the Wii a longer lifespan in my opinion. Then again, I don't work for Wedbush Morgan and everthing that I say isn't instantly looked at as serious analysis.



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nordlead said:
Beuli2 said:
Either he is meaning only America's and Europe's Wii hardware sales, or he is tottaly crazy that the Wii will sell only 14 millin this year.

Japan only sold 2.1m out of 22.5m sold WW. I would say he is giving US numbers only, but ~10m for PS3 is double what it did in 09 for the US.

Obviously Patcher is predicting his normal doom and gloom for the Wii, as that would be a massive 37% decline world wide compared to a 21% drop for the PS3.

edit: my percentages may be slightly off due to using WW figures rather than US + Europe which may be his actual prediction. Either way, a much larger drop for Wii than the other hardware.

Even without Japan, it still ridiculous to think it will sell 6 million less than last year. Right now, it is only 200.000 less compared to same timeframe of 2009.



Above: still the best game of the year.