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There's some questionable claims in this article. But I thought I definitely had to post it for no other reason than it pushes so many off-topic buttons.

 

 

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Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ

By Elizabeth Landau, CNN

February 26, 2010 5:03 p.m. EST

The IQ differences are statistically significant, but experts say the data shouldn't be used to stereotype or make assumptions.

(CNN) -- Political, religious and sexual behaviors may be reflections of intelligence, a new study finds.

Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa at the the London School of Economics and Political Science correlated data on these behaviors with IQ from a large national U.S. sample and found that, on average, people who identified as liberal and atheist had higher IQs. This applied also to sexual exclusivity in men, but not in women. The findings will be published in the March 2010 issue of Social Psychology Quarterly.

The IQ differences, while statistically significant, are not stunning -- on the order of 6 to 11 points -- and the data should not be used to stereotype or make assumptions about people, experts say. But they show how certain patterns of identifying with particular ideologies develop, and how some people's behaviors come to be.

The reasoning is that sexual exclusivity in men, liberalism and atheism all go against what would be expected given humans' evolutionary past. In other words, none of these traits would have benefited our early human ancestors, but higher intelligence may be associated with them.

"The adoption of some evolutionarily novel ideas makes some sense in terms of moving the species forward," said George Washington University leadership professor James Bailey, who was not involved in the study. "It also makes perfect sense that more intelligent people -- people with, sort of, more intellectual firepower -- are likely to be the ones to do that."

Bailey also said that these preferences may stem from a desire to show superiority or elitism, which also has to do with IQ. In fact, aligning oneself with "unconventional" philosophies such as liberalism or atheism may be "ways to communicate to everyone that you're pretty smart," he said.

The study looked at a large sample from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health), which began with adolescents in grades 7-12 in the United States during the 1994-95 school year. The participants were interviewed as 18- to 28-year-olds from 2001 to 2002. The study also looked at the General Social Survey, another cross-national data collection source.

Kanazawa did not find that higher or lower intelligence predicted sexual exclusivity in women. This makes sense, because having one partner has always been advantageous to women, even thousands of years ago, meaning exclusivity is not a "new" preference.

For men, on the other hand, sexual exclusivity goes against the grain evolutionarily. With a goal of spreading genes, early men had multiple mates. Since women had to spend nine months being pregnant, and additional years caring for very young children, it made sense for them to want a steady mate to provide them resources.

Religion, the current theory goes, did not help people survive or reproduce necessarily, but goes along the lines of helping people to be paranoid, Kanazawa said. Assuming that, for example, a noise in the distance is a signal of a threat helped early humans to prepare in case of danger.

"It helps life to be paranoid, and because humans are paranoid, they become more religious, and they see the hands of God everywhere," Kanazawa said.

Participants who said they were atheists had an average IQ of 103 in adolescence, while adults who said they were religious averaged 97, the study found. Atheism "allows someone to move forward and speculate on life without any concern for the dogmatic structure of a religion," Bailey said.

"Historically, anything that's new and different can be seen as a threat in terms of the religious beliefs; almost all religious systems are about permanence," he noted.

The study takes the American view of liberal vs. conservative. It defines "liberal" in terms of concern for genetically nonrelated people and support for private resources that help those people. It does not look at other factors that play into American political beliefs, such as abortion, gun control and gay rights.

"Liberals are more likely to be concerned about total strangers; conservatives are likely to be concerned with people they associate with," he said.

Given that human ancestors had a keen interest in the survival of their offspring and nearest kin, the conservative approach -- looking out for the people around you first -- fits with the evolutionary picture more than liberalism, Kanazawa said. "It's unnatural for humans to be concerned about total strangers." he said.

The study found that young adults who said they were "very conservative" had an average adolescent IQ of 95, whereas those who said they were "very liberal" averaged 106.

It also makes sense that "conservatism" as a worldview of keeping things stable would be a safer approach than venturing toward the unfamiliar, Bailey said.

Neither Bailey nor Kanazawa identify themselves as liberal; Bailey is conservative and Kanazawa is "a strong libertarian."

Vegetarianism, while not strongly associated with IQ in this study, has been shown to be related to intelligence in previous research, Kanazawa said. This also fits into Bailey's idea that unconventional preferences appeal to people with higher intelligence, and can also be a means of showing superiority.

None of this means that the human species is evolving toward a future where these traits are the default, Kanazawa said.

"More intelligent people don't have more children, so moving away from the trajectory is not going to happen," he said.

 



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It would also help to know where the kids in the study lived. More liberal areas, especially on the East Coast, often put a greater emphasis on education.



 

 

If only I was gay.... I'd be BARE smart.



SamuelRSmith said:
If only I was gay.... I'd be BARE smart.

Being gay has nothing to do with it. Just sleep with a whole bunch of different women (or men), and your IQ will skyrocket.

Or maybe it's the other way around.



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Reading this report really made me think... I actually wondered what I'd do if a hated rival of mine (not that I have any presently, but just bear with me here) was in mortal danger, and I was in a position to save his/her life... I thought about it, and decided I would save him/her, but (s)he might not be so noble... Which led me to reflect on Machiavellian philosophy, and I found a major chink in said philosophy: it relies on humanity's inbred paranoia, and does not allow for the possibility that man can rise above said paranoia... But I'm sure that many philosophers are already aware of this very thing...



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I think a study like this could easily be manipulated to come to whatever conclusions you wanted simply based on how you define and measure IQ, Liberalism/Conservatism, Atheism, and Sexual Exclusivity.

Years ago there were several researches who noticed that (by most measures) IQ tests had little or no relationship to success in life; and were often a measure of the quality of education you received in certain areas that the test was measuring. This (in itself) drove several researchers to look at what really did relate to success, and several different theories emerged, one of the more famous results is a concept called "Emotional Intelligence"

Emotional Intelligence would explain some of this being that a willingness to forego immediate gratification in favour of long term success is one of the cornerstones of emotional intelligence; and therefore you would expect that someone who had better control over sexual urges would tend to achieve (much) higher success in education and that education would translate into higher IQ.

When it comes to liberalism/conservatism, one of the traits I see in highly educated people in fields like Mathematics, Engineering, Computer Science and most Sciences is that they tend to be very fiscally conservative libertarians; and people in the Humanities and Social Sciences tend to be much more fiscally and socially progressive. Depending on whether your test was balanced across logical/mathematical skills or language skills, and depending on whether you were more focused on fiscal or social traits, would have a dramatic impact on whether conservative or liberal people were more intelligent.



So, me being an incredibly liberal atheist floozy makes me more credible as a brainiac... I like!



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Lol, I like it! I know it's a strawmen's argument if you actually try to conclude anything from it, but it's still funny



Well, I am just one guy. But I will state my information:

IQ: 165 (when tested at age 14, not that it really means anything)
Religion: Atheist
Political Party: Libertarian
Sex drive: strong

I like the line "Liberals are more likely to be concerned about total strangers; conservatives are likely to be concerned with people they associate with"

I would add that Libertarian's are more likely to be concerned about everyone. It's why we want all liberties for all people, and not just the sub group of liberties for the subgroup of people we care about.



Obvious reasons are actually fairly obvious.

The better areas you grow up in... the more likely you are to be liberal. While the poorer areas are more likely to be a conservative.

Which is always funny because it's generally a bunch of middle class people saying "We know what's better for you" and a bunch of poorer people saying "We want to take care of our selves."

It's the same reason why conservatives are more likely to donate to charity... the poorer you are, the more you focus on what YOU can do and what effects YOU have on your enviroment, rather then what the community can do for you, since from an younger age you had to look out for yourself.

How you grow up also is going to effect athleticism... based on younger nutrition etc... and sexual desire is often tied to how healthy you are.


I used to be about the most liberal person you'd know... until I actually met some poor people and found out what they generally want out of a system adn realized that what people want more then anything is just incentive to work hard.  To just feel like if they work hard they can make it.


They generally don't want overarching liberal plans.  They just want to clear out laws to make sure everyone gets a fair shake... even if it means starting at the bottom.