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chichi-101 on 23 February 2010
ShadowSoldier said:
Why the hell does shovelware sell so well on the Wii? For Fuck Sakes Wii owners go buy Muramasa.

Name 5 that are just as good, or better than Nintendo core titles (Zelda, Metroid, Mario, Smash Bros) and I will definitely look into them...=)



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Carl on 23 February 2010
nordlead said:
Carl2291 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"If the userbase wants new, great core games from developers like Ubisoft, they wouldn't give the developers reason to spam games like this."

Wrong. It's buying the core games that let them know. More great core games have to be put on the Wii and people will buy them, not niche games presented as tests.

And the core games don't seem to sell enough, while games like Just Dance are selling millions.

Now, put a whole bunch of money/effort into creating a new core game on Wii with a risk of it bombing... Or quickly make Just Dance 2 with extra tracks, more moves, a few more features, and guarentee an easy profit.

I know which route i would take if i were a developer.

wait. let me guess, the core games are.

  • The Conduit
  • Little King's Story
  • Muramasa
  • MadWorld
  • No More Heroes

oh, and I better not forget the test game. Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles.

But we better not list Zelda, Metroid, or Mario as core games, because the fact they are made by Nintendo automatically nulls out that people bought them because they want core games. Monster Hunter 3 doesn't count because it is the best selling console version, but not as popular as the portable version. DQIX won't count for another stupid reason too, but we'll have to wait to find out what that is.

Also, maybe the userbase is big enough, that some people want Just Dance 2, while others want a on time and equal quality (with exception of graphics) version of Call of Duty. Just dance sold 1.5m so far. So ~2% of the userbase. That 2% does not represent what 100% of Wii owners want. Call of Duty: Gimped at War sold 1.5m, which also represents 2% of the userbase. So why did Activision decide to delay Modern Warfare Reflex and not release Modern Warfare 2?

I'm still waiting for someone to list the Assassin's Creeds, GTAs, Final Fantasy games that have flopped on the Wii. But hey, if you want to know where the Bionic Commando's are for the Wii, well, that flopped on the HD systems too.

Aren't we talking 3rd party? And MH is one 3rd party exclusive...

Maybe it is big enough, but after 3 years it still hasn't been proven. But i think this sums it up with Wii...

"Now, put a whole bunch of money/effort into creating a new core game on Wii with a risk of it bombing... Or quickly make Just Dance 2 with extra tracks, more moves, a few more features, and guarentee an easy profit."

Blame Nintendo for giving the Wii the image it has.



                            

ShadowSoldier on 23 February 2010
chichi-101 said:
ShadowSoldier said:
Why the hell does shovelware sell so well on the Wii? For Fuck Sakes Wii owners go buy Muramasa.

Name 5 that are just as good, or better than Nintendo core titles (Zelda, Metroid, Mario, Smash Bros) and I will definitely look into them...=)

Are you trying to say the Wii has no good games outside of Nintendo made ones?



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Naum on 23 February 2010
Carl2291 said:
Naum said:
Barozi said:
rubido said:
Barozi said:
well consumers can buy whatever they like.
But big sales doesn't automatically equal quality.

Personally it's another game, where I hold my head in shame and ask myself what happened to gaming...
sad sad sad

What is happening to gaming? Maybe just offering something to people other than you? Is that so bad? Really?

first off all way to many replies to my post (which I expected)

What's happening to gaming is that games which are made in approx. 2 months dev time sell buttloads without having to be especially good, while on the other hands lots of high quality games barely make a profit, if at all.

and yes I blame the Wii for it. (and the consumers)

Oh and if Natal and Arc lead to the same result, I'll be ashamed of them as well obviously.

With this statement I'm outta here. Have a nice thread.

But it was ok last gen when the PS2 sold games like this?

PS2 also sold games like this -

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=3427&region=All
http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=896&region=All
http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=891&region=All
http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=759&region=All
http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=5491&region=All
http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=6334&region=All
http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=3774&region=All

And so on...

Wow did you actually go there?....



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gansito on 23 February 2010
Carl2291 said:
nordlead said:
Carl2291 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"If the userbase wants new, great core games from developers like Ubisoft, they wouldn't give the developers reason to spam games like this."

Wrong. It's buying the core games that let them know. More great core games have to be put on the Wii and people will buy them, not niche games presented as tests.

And the core games don't seem to sell enough, while games like Just Dance are selling millions.

Now, put a whole bunch of money/effort into creating a new core game on Wii with a risk of it bombing... Or quickly make Just Dance 2 with extra tracks, more moves, a few more features, and guarentee an easy profit.

I know which route i would take if i were a developer.

wait. let me guess, the core games are.

  • The Conduit
  • Little King's Story
  • Muramasa
  • MadWorld
  • No More Heroes

oh, and I better not forget the test game. Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles.

But we better not list Zelda, Metroid, or Mario as core games, because the fact they are made by Nintendo automatically nulls out that people bought them because they want core games. Monster Hunter 3 doesn't count because it is the best selling console version, but not as popular as the portable version. DQIX won't count for another stupid reason too, but we'll have to wait to find out what that is.

Also, maybe the userbase is big enough, that some people want Just Dance 2, while others want a on time and equal quality (with exception of graphics) version of Call of Duty. Just dance sold 1.5m so far. So ~2% of the userbase. That 2% does not represent what 100% of Wii owners want. Call of Duty: Gimped at War sold 1.5m, which also represents 2% of the userbase. So why did Activision decide to delay Modern Warfare Reflex and not release Modern Warfare 2?

I'm still waiting for someone to list the Assassin's Creeds, GTAs, Final Fantasy games that have flopped on the Wii. But hey, if you want to know where the Bionic Commando's are for the Wii, well, that flopped on the HD systems too.

Aren't we talking 3rd party? And MH is one 3rd party exclusive...

Maybe it is big enough, but after 3 years it still hasn't been proven. But i think this sums it up with Wii...

"Now, put a whole bunch of money/effort into creating a new core game on Wii with a risk of it bombing... Or quickly make Just Dance 2 with extra tracks, more moves, a few more features, and guarentee an easy profit."

Blame Nintendo for giving the Wii the image it has.

Completely agree with this. Third Party core games aren't coming, at most you'll get some decent niche games, but no AAA games from third parties.



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Carl on 23 February 2010
Naum said:
Carl2291 said:
Naum said:
Barozi said:
rubido said:
Barozi said:
well consumers can buy whatever they like.
But big sales doesn't automatically equal quality.

Personally it's another game, where I hold my head in shame and ask myself what happened to gaming...
sad sad sad

What is happening to gaming? Maybe just offering something to people other than you? Is that so bad? Really?

first off all way to many replies to my post (which I expected)

What's happening to gaming is that games which are made in approx. 2 months dev time sell buttloads without having to be especially good, while on the other hands lots of high quality games barely make a profit, if at all.

and yes I blame the Wii for it. (and the consumers)

Oh and if Natal and Arc lead to the same result, I'll be ashamed of them as well obviously.

With this statement I'm outta here. Have a nice thread.

But it was ok last gen when the PS2 sold games like this?

PS2 also sold games like this -

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=3427®ion=All
http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=896®ion=All
http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=891®ion=All
http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=759®ion=All
http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=5491®ion=All
http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=6334®ion=All
http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=3774®ion=All

And so on...

Wow did you actually go there?....

Go where? Top selling PS2 3rd party games?



                            

chichi-101 on 23 February 2010
psrock said:
nordlead said:
Carl2291 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"If the userbase wants new, great core games from developers like Ubisoft, they wouldn't give the developers reason to spam games like this."

Wrong. It's buying the core games that let them know. More great core games have to be put on the Wii and people will buy them, not niche games presented as tests.

And the core games don't seem to sell enough, while games like Just Dance are selling millions.

Now, put a whole bunch of money/effort into creating a new core game on Wii with a risk of it bombing... Or quickly make Just Dance 2 with extra tracks, more moves, a few more features, and guarentee an easy profit.

I know which route i would take if i were a developer.

wait. let me guess, the core games are.

  • The Conduit
  • Little King's Story
  • Muramasa
  • MadWorld
  • No More Heroes

oh, and I better not forget the test game. Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles.

But we better not list Zelda, Metroid, or Mario as core games, because the fact they are made by Nintendo automatically nulls out that people bought them because they want core games. Monster Hunter 3 doesn't count because it is the best selling console version, but not as popular as the portable version. DQIX won't count for another stupid reason too, but we'll have to wait to find out what that is.

Also, maybe the userbase is big enough, that some people want Just Dance 2, while others want a on time and equal quality (with exception of graphics) version of Call of Duty. Just dance sold 1.5m so far. So ~2% of the userbase. That 2% does not represent what 100% of Wii owners want. Call of Duty: Gimped at War sold 1.5m, which also represents 2% of the userbase. So why did Activision decide to delay Modern Warfare Reflex and not release Modern Warfare 2?

I'm still waiting for someone to list the Assassin's Creeds, GTAs, Final Fantasy games that have flopped on the Wii. But hey, if you want to know where the Bionic Commando's are for the Wii, well, that flopped on the HD systems too.

Just dance is going to sell close to 4 million when it's done selling.

I agree with you that the big games like GTA, FF, COD are not on the Wii, but there is no need to, this is a business, why should I spend 10 million to make a port Assassin's Creed when I can spend less than half, make a party game and sell more. Just dance will make more for Ubisoft from the Wii  than any of these games you mentioned.

That's the Wii, that's the image Nintendo has created for it. No matter what, it will be seen and supported as the party game platform plus Nintendo games.

Why can't they do both...its a obviously a market for both on the system. Wouldn't they make more money that way?

The Wii isn't the hardest to develop for, and you can make an AAA worthy game with alot less money, and get the sells the quality of that game deserved, can you not?

I mean if Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Smash bro., Monster Hunter, and  can sell on par, and in most cases more than most  HD thirdparty hardcore/core games, why won't they try that formula?

They rather try the Wiifit, Wiiplay, Wiisports approach though...with advertising of course.



gansito on 23 February 2010
chichi-101 said:
ShadowSoldier said:
Why the hell does shovelware sell so well on the Wii? For Fuck Sakes Wii owners go buy Muramasa.

Name 5 that are just as good, or better than Nintendo core titles (Zelda, Metroid, Mario, Smash Bros) and I will definitely look into them...=)

Closed-minded mentality is pretty sad. You should really try Muramasa, it recently got a price drop to $29.99.



chichi-101 on 23 February 2010

I apologize for the typos. I tend to type fast, and not proof read.



psrock on 23 February 2010
chichi-101 said:
psrock said:
nordlead said:
Carl2291 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"If the userbase wants new, great core games from developers like Ubisoft, they wouldn't give the developers reason to spam games like this."

Wrong. It's buying the core games that let them know. More great core games have to be put on the Wii and people will buy them, not niche games presented as tests.

And the core games don't seem to sell enough, while games like Just Dance are selling millions.

Now, put a whole bunch of money/effort into creating a new core game on Wii with a risk of it bombing... Or quickly make Just Dance 2 with extra tracks, more moves, a few more features, and guarentee an easy profit.

I know which route i would take if i were a developer.

wait. let me guess, the core games are.

  • The Conduit
  • Little King's Story
  • Muramasa
  • MadWorld
  • No More Heroes

oh, and I better not forget the test game. Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles.

But we better not list Zelda, Metroid, or Mario as core games, because the fact they are made by Nintendo automatically nulls out that people bought them because they want core games. Monster Hunter 3 doesn't count because it is the best selling console version, but not as popular as the portable version. DQIX won't count for another stupid reason too, but we'll have to wait to find out what that is.

Also, maybe the userbase is big enough, that some people want Just Dance 2, while others want a on time and equal quality (with exception of graphics) version of Call of Duty. Just dance sold 1.5m so far. So ~2% of the userbase. That 2% does not represent what 100% of Wii owners want. Call of Duty: Gimped at War sold 1.5m, which also represents 2% of the userbase. So why did Activision decide to delay Modern Warfare Reflex and not release Modern Warfare 2?

I'm still waiting for someone to list the Assassin's Creeds, GTAs, Final Fantasy games that have flopped on the Wii. But hey, if you want to know where the Bionic Commando's are for the Wii, well, that flopped on the HD systems too.

Just dance is going to sell close to 4 million when it's done selling.

I agree with you that the big games like GTA, FF, COD are not on the Wii, but there is no need to, this is a business, why should I spend 10 million to make a port Assassin's Creed when I can spend less than half, make a party game and sell more. Just dance will make more for Ubisoft from the Wii  than any of these games you mentioned.

That's the Wii, that's the image Nintendo has created for it. No matter what, it will be seen and supported as the party game platform plus Nintendo games.

Why can't they do both...its a obviously a market for both on the system. Wouldn't they make more money that way?

The Wii isn't the hardest to develop for, and you can make an AAA worthy game with alot less money, and get the sells the quality of that game deserved, can you not?

I mean if Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Smash bro., Monster Hunter, and  can sell on par, and in most cases more than most  HD thirdparty hardcore/core games, why won't they try that formula?

They rather try the Wiifit, Wiiplay, Wiisports approach though...with advertising of course.

Wiifit and Wiiplay are bigger games, that's why. Besides Mario games, the casual sides of Nintendo games have destroyed the so called core games.

 



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