Yep PS2 will remain king of consoles. Good job. Gen 12 should see something top it, thanks to the market growing. OT: This makes me wonder if the gaming market continues to grow each gen, can atleast the winner of the gen top the 170 million?

Yes I meant 50% down, I was thinking backwards where 2011 numbers are 100% higher then 2012.

Oh I know VGC doesn't track PS2 well. If you read my Q2 Update I mention that VGC was off by 8 million in EMEAA (Don't know where they put it because VGC's total was correct).

So based off updated numbers, what were the combined PS3/PS2 shipments in Q4 and Q1?

You know Sony's figures are shipped numbers correct? Technically they are sales since retailers own them, but consumers have not purchaed them.

Your link does not work, and I have provided you a link from Sony stating 153.6 is the shipped figure as of November 21st 2011, not September 30th.

Can you show me a link with 155.1m as March 31st's official figure? (I believe you, I just want to see it for my own eyes, and this value agrees with information I have).

Also, can you show me somthing with a forcast for Sony? Based off trends I see, PS2 sales dead in Japan, Gamestop no longer accepting used PS2 games, and rumors of the Sony Store no longer stocking PS2's (which basically means that it's discontinued in North America), I have trouble seeing Sony ship more then 2-2.5 million PS2's, and of that I only PS2 selling around 1 million units tis year (Where DS will sell closer to 2.5 million).

Also, as a side note I would like to mention, arguing about this is trivial, no one of us knows for sure what will happen. Sony could recall many of their PS2's (If retailers can't sell them), they may discontinue it in Japan and North America, DS could sell a higher number of shipped inventory, etc,etc. Good debate though.

P.S. Do you agree with my calculation of PS2 selling 512k in the first half of 2012? (From my Quarterly Update)

The Ps2 will be the best selling home console of all time forever imo
but the DS IS a console and will remain as the best selling portable and console of all time
how is the DS not a console?
so if i took one of those modded GCs or N64s to be portables they would instantly stop being a console?

DS portable console
PS2 home console

both consoles

Wait......Are you using Q2 fiscal or Q2 actual figures? Sony's fiscal Q2 is July - September, where a true Q2 is April - June. Meaning Sony's Q2 is actually Q3. I dunno when Nintendo's fiscal year is, I think it starts a month earlier (ending in February where Sony ends in March and MS ends in like June or something)

IF this is the case, you can't compare that info directly.

Also what do you believe PS2's shiped figures are for Q2?

Sorry the (.) made my link crash.

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps2_sale_e.html

You have to sum all the data but 153.6 million is from 30th September, 2011 shipment.

Before FY 2006 PS3 shipped 100.8m... Sony removed the page but you can see it here: http://web.archive.org/web/20110524050046/http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps2_e.html just rember the correct number is 100.8m and not 101.37m because before 2006 Sony counted PS2 produced and not shipped... when Sony decided to change the number there was 570k PS2 produced and not shipped... to not be counted two time we removed these 570k after 2006.

A better table after 2006 with the cumulative data.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=473601

PS2 sells great here in Brazil or others countries... more than Wii, PS3 and 360... so PS2 is not dead yet.

Edit - Sony release their financial results and number in November but this quarter ends in September 30th... the data is from the end of the quarter... so that's because your number are from September 30th and not November.

I always talk about fiscal year...

Sony and Nintendo = April 1st to March 31st
Microsoft = July 1st to June 30th

These Nintendo numbers are Q2 FY2012 Nintendo... Sony is to release the Q2 FY2012 numbers in early November.

You can compare directly because Sony and Nintedo uses the same Fiscal Year... just for Microsot I compare differents quartes (eg. Sony/Nintendo Q2 with Microsoft Q1).

I'm sure Sony shipped more than 600k PS2 in Q2... wait november... three quarters in a row PS2 is outshelling DS.

Guys I'm not trying to show to you my opinion about who is the winner.

It's shipped numbers x shipped numbers... Nintendo numbers x Sony numbers.

And PS2 is selling better than DS in the last three quarters... there are no chance to anybody here in VGC deny that fact (read the Nintendo and Sony documents).

And the forecast confirmed by Nintendo and Sony for the FY 2012 is...

DS: 2.5m
PS2: 3.0m

DS is dying before PS2... Wii too.

DS is only 1.6 million units behind, and they stopped shipping PS2's.

What I said: I'm fairly certain they stopped manufactering PS2's now and shipped all of their stock.

What I should have said: I'm fairly certain they stopped manufacturing PS2's now, and I think they shipped all of their stock.

After talking to ethomaz, now I know Sony just merges PS2 shipped figures with PS3.

You: "The Q4 number of 600k was Jan-Mar of this year, not last fall."

Ah, you're right, still there is a huge drop for 2012

You: "The DS hasn't been selling 40k a week since mid July."

You're right, I probably thought that just because I just finished my Q2 update lol.

You: Also Famitsu is not Media Create.  The PS2 sold 1,081 last week according to Media Create, and has sold 48,275 so far this year.  That would be an average of 1,149 sales per week in Japan alone.  A far cry from your claim of only 1-3k a week worldwide.  Also how can you say the PS2 hasn't shipped many this year when it outshipped the DS for Jan-Mar, it very likely outshipped it for Apr-Jun, and as long as it doesn't drop more than 63% yoy will outship the DS in the Jul-Sept quarter as well.  Even if it shipped that 600k and then nothing else, that is far more than 1-3k a week.  I don't know if you got that from VGC or somewhere else, but the PS2 numbers have always been horribly inaccurate here.

Michael: I didn't quote Famitsu, and where did you gt that figure? For Japan I claimed an average of 750 units a week based off a few media create figures I got rangine from 250 - 1,000. I admit that wa an estimate, and if you have a good source there I would like to use it to make more accurate predictions on PS2 sales. I dunno why I said PS2 only sells 1-3k per week since my Q2 update originally had PS2 gain 320k in 26 weeks, which would correspond to an average of about 13,000 a week. I have now adjusted toat figure to 500k, which makes weekly sales closer to 20,000 a week (still less then DS, but not by much).

Were did you get shipment figures for PS2 for FY 2012?

You: Case in point.  In 2010 the PS2 shipped 6.9 million.  According to you VGC said 4.59 (it seems like the site has been stripped of PS2 info, so I'll take your word).  That's a gap of 2.31 million.  Then in 2011 the PS2 shipped 4.7 million and VGC tracked 2.25.  That is a gap of 2.45 million.  Add in this year and you probably have a shipped/sold gap of 6+ million.  (and I don't believe this discrepency just started in 2010, so the number is likely larger if you go further back)  At what point do you ask yourself is a company really buying millions of PS2s that they are never going to sell, or maybe, just maybe the VGC data is completely wrong.  You say that PS2 sales are crashing and businesses are trying to sell off their old inventory, but then who bought 600k of them in January to March.  More than the DS which according to you is crushing the PS2 in sales this year.

Also you seem to be comparing sony financial years to VGC calendar years unless you adjusted the data for that.  Another clarification, 900k is 43% of 2.1 million, not 30%. lol! bad math, I adjusted my estimates up.

Anyway the takeaway from all this is that the DS surpassing the PS2 is probably unlikely unless Nintendo decided to make a very aggressive price cut this holiday.  This is probably unlikely though as it would cannibalize 3DS sales.

Michael: Case in point, shipped figures =/= (Do not equal) sold figures. Selling 66% of what you ship is very reasonable, especially considering the downward trend in sales PS2 is having. Since the PS2 arket is shrinking (maybe not crashing), Sony will alays ship more uits then they sell. Rarely will anone sell everything they ship because when that happens there is something called a shortage. Now yes, 6 million units on store shelves is quite a bit (VGC probably was very very poor at tracking PS2 sales), and something is odd with the number, I agree.

The way I look at it, is that VGC had PS2 sales at 153.68 by the end of the year last year. Sony had 154.4 million units shipped. The number of units sold only varied from the number of units shipped by 700k.

I don't know why annual PS2 sales (VGC) and shipped (Sony) data is so different, but the end result puts reasonable values. I'm choosing to trust VGC (for now) and believe Sony is overshipping PS2's because they want to discontinue the product and use that factory for something else. However I do aknowledge that VGC probably has remote areas in the Middle East, Africa and Asia poorly tracked.

I'm just going to end this, with an answer of "I don't know anymore." It's going to be close.

P.S. If you want PS2 sales history from VGC from 2008-2011, I have it all recorded on excel sheets. I wrote the values as they included them in the weeks, but didn't update them for adjustments. Still, the numbers are good......well, maybe not after reading your post lol.

Nintendo is stupid for not pushing Wii and DS in underdeveloped countries, thats where PS2s strength relies