PS2 will remain the best selling console of all time by the end of this gen

[Michael-5]

ethomaz said:

Michael-5 said:

If Sony confirmed 156.1 million PS2's shipped, and you have a link you should update wikipedia.

Also I would like you to find these sources. Sony confirmed 153.6 million shipped as of November 21st 2011: Link(Read bottom) That link opens a pdf by Sony.

VGC tracked PS2 sales at about 2.25 million last year (730k Q1, 420k Q2, 405k Q3, and around 700k Q4), which was what 100% down from 2010 sales (PS2 sold 4.59 million units according to VGC in 2010).

I don't think PS2 will be outshipping anyone in the future. Last year PS2 did ship 1.2 million in Q2, but only 0.9 million in Q3 (30% as much as the year prior) and 0.6 million in Q4 (50% as much as the year prior). They shipped 4.1 million PS2s last year, and sold 2.25 million. I really doubt that that shipped any more then 2 million (If any) PS2's this year, and I doubt that PS2 is going to sell over 1 million units WW.

Last I heard PS2 shipped 154.4 million, and according to VGC and my scaling for 2012, PS2 is still trying to sell off old inventory. With sales rates crashing, 154.4 looks like a struggle as it is.

So tell me, If PS2 shipped 4.1 million and only sold 2.25 million last year, given that shipped units dropped by 33% in 2011 (And above 50% drop in the last half of 2011), which is the biggest drop yet, How is PS2 outshipping the DS? DS has already sold 1.9 million units this year, and will likely end between 2.2-2.5 million, which will be double the number of PS2's sold at least.

153.6 million is the shipped data as September 30th, 2011 (Q2 2011)... after that Sony shipped more  0.9m (Q3 2011) and 0.6m (Q4 2011) -- http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps2_sale_e.html.

155.1m as March 31th, 2012 (Official  by Sony)

In Q1 2012 Sony shipped ~1.0 million... so 156.1m (not official).

Sony forecast for 2012: 3.0m PS2 shipped.
Nintendo forecast for 2012: 2.5m DS shipped

Yes... Sony and Nintendo expect PS2 to outship DS in 2012. 

VGC don't track PS2 sales anymore.

You know Sony's figures are shipped numbers correct? Technically they are sales since retailers own them, but consumers have not purchaed them.

Your link does not work, and I have provided you a link from Sony stating 153.6 is the shipped figure as of November 21st 2011, not September 30th.

Can you show me a link with 155.1m as March 31st's official figure? (I believe you, I just want to see it for my own eyes, and this value agrees with information I have).

Also, can you show me somthing with a forcast for Sony? Based off trends I see, PS2 sales dead in Japan, Gamestop no longer accepting used PS2 games, and rumors of the Sony Store no longer stocking PS2's (which basically means that it's discontinued in North America), I have trouble seeing Sony ship more then 2-2.5 million PS2's, and of that I only PS2 selling around 1 million units tis year (Where DS will sell closer to 2.5 million).

Also, as a side note I would like to mention, arguing about this is trivial, no one of us knows for sure what will happen. Sony could recall many of their PS2's (If retailers can't sell them), they may discontinue it in Japan and North America, DS could sell a higher number of shipped inventory, etc,etc. Good debate though.

P.S. Do you agree with my calculation of PS2 selling 512k in the first half of 2012? (From my Quarterly Update)