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Barozi on 05 February 2010

As usual in German stores.
Everything is in stock.
Tons of PS3 slims, tons of 360s, tons of Wiis



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jneul on 05 February 2010
Twistedpixel said:
Complications said:
Btw, this also basically confirms to me that the PS3 is under-tracked here. Don't want to bring this into your thread, but there's no way millions of PS3's would have been ordered and sitting on shelves at normal price when retailers would have known about this 'new model' coming.

How so? If they've made orders for 2M new consoles to fill shelves, that still counts as sold for Sony.

right so your asking us to beleive that there are 2m ps3's hanging around when is a new model is coming, how many more excuses can they possibly invent??



it's the future of handheld

PS VITA = LIFE

The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1

Twistedpixel on 05 February 2010
Complications said:
Twistedpixel said:
Complications said:
Btw, this also basically confirms to me that the PS3 is under-tracked here. Don't want to bring this into your thread, but there's no way millions of PS3's would have been ordered and sitting on shelves at normal price when retailers would have known about this 'new model' coming.

How so? If they've made orders for 2M new consoles to fill shelves, that still counts as sold for Sony.

Well, the 'gap' between VGC numbers and PS3 shipments have been quite large for quite some time If I'm correct. Also, your assuming that Sony use financial transactions to count sales, just like Im assuming they use shipments. Don't think anyone knows for sure.

 

Sony doesn't use shipment numbers and they haven't since 2006 or 2007 I can't remember which. But it was a specific change, you don't have data for their shipment numbers this quarter you have data for their sales numbers. They specifically said they were switching from a shipment model to a sales model for financial reporting so yes, we know for sure.

For a specific quarter:

Sony financials = how many they have sold to retailers.

Vgchartz = how many have been sold from retailers to consumers.

Sold to retailers means pretty much any order they have recieved which they can be reasonably sure they will get paid for and they can be reasonably sure they can fulfill.

 



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Beuli2 on 05 February 2010

Wii HD coming OMG

...

On a seroius note, this might be multi-colored Wii's. I don't have idea about the others.



Above: still the best game of the year.

Twistedpixel on 05 February 2010
jneul said:
Twistedpixel said:
Complications said:
Btw, this also basically confirms to me that the PS3 is under-tracked here. Don't want to bring this into your thread, but there's no way millions of PS3's would have been ordered and sitting on shelves at normal price when retailers would have known about this 'new model' coming.

How so? If they've made orders for 2M new consoles to fill shelves, that still counts as sold for Sony.

right so your asking us to beleive that there are 2m ps3's hanging around when is a new model is coming, how many more excuses can they possibly invent??

It could be 700k stock in retailers + 1.3M units sold and waiting for delivery. If theres a new model coming in it does make sense that there would be shortages but a discrepency in retail sellthrough and Sony financials as they haven't made delivery yet.



Do you know what its like to live on the far side of Uranus?

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jneul on 05 February 2010
Twistedpixel said:
jneul said:
Twistedpixel said:
Complications said:
Btw, this also basically confirms to me that the PS3 is under-tracked here. Don't want to bring this into your thread, but there's no way millions of PS3's would have been ordered and sitting on shelves at normal price when retailers would have known about this 'new model' coming.

How so? If they've made orders for 2M new consoles to fill shelves, that still counts as sold for Sony.

right so your asking us to beleive that there are 2m ps3's hanging around when is a new model is coming, how many more excuses can they possibly invent??

It could be 700k stock in retailers + 1.3M units sold and waiting for delivery. If theres a new model coming in it does make sense that there would be shortages but a discrepency in retail sellthrough and Sony financials as they haven't made delivery yet.

that still leaves 700k ps3's unaccounted for by your logic, it was 2.7m the difference.



it's the future of handheld

PS VITA = LIFE

The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1

Complications on 05 February 2010
Twistedpixel said:
Complications said:
Twistedpixel said:
Complications said:
Btw, this also basically confirms to me that the PS3 is under-tracked here. Don't want to bring this into your thread, but there's no way millions of PS3's would have been ordered and sitting on shelves at normal price when retailers would have known about this 'new model' coming.

How so? If they've made orders for 2M new consoles to fill shelves, that still counts as sold for Sony.

Well, the 'gap' between VGC numbers and PS3 shipments have been quite large for quite some time If I'm correct. Also, your assuming that Sony use financial transactions to count sales, just like Im assuming they use shipments. Don't think anyone knows for sure.

 

Sony doesn't use shipment numbers and they haven't since 2006 or 2007 I can't remember which. But it was a specific change, you don't have data for their shipment numbers this quarter you have data for their sales numbers. They specifically said they were switching from a shipment model to a sales model for financial reporting so yes, we know for sure.

For a specific quarter:

Sony financials = how many they have sold to retailers.

Vgchartz = how many have been sold from retailers to consumers.

Sold to retailers means pretty much any order they have recieved which they can be reasonably sure they will get paid for and they can be reasonably sure they can fulfill.

 

O.I.C

And that makes console numbers in general a lot less accurate. Also, that doesn't really explain why the 'gap' I mentioned has been quite large for quite some time - unless retailers knew about this model quite some time ago, which I doubt.



Twistedpixel on 05 February 2010
jneul said:
Twistedpixel said:

It could be 700k stock in retailers + 1.3M units sold and waiting for delivery. If theres a new model coming in it does make sense that there would be shortages but a discrepency in retail sellthrough and Sony financials as they haven't made delivery yet.

that still leaves 700k ps3's unaccounted for by your logic, it was 2.7m the difference.

I wasn't quoting specific numbers. However sold by retailers = sold on vgchartz books for the previous quarter. I'll leave it up to Brett to make the decision on this as he has far more data than he ever shares with us.



Do you know what its like to live on the far side of Uranus?

jneul on 05 February 2010
Twistedpixel said:
jneul said:
Twistedpixel said:

It could be 700k stock in retailers + 1.3M units sold and waiting for delivery. If theres a new model coming in it does make sense that there would be shortages but a discrepency in retail sellthrough and Sony financials as they haven't made delivery yet.

that still leaves 700k ps3's unaccounted for by your logic, it was 2.7m the difference.

I wasn't quoting specific numbers. However sold by retailers = sold on vgchartz books for the previous quarter. I'll leave it up to Brett to make the decision on this as he has far more data than he ever shares with us.

Wohoo have I finally gotten through??

At least do me a favor, get them to recheck their figures, even if it comes back the same, alot of people will be much happier this way, trust me.



it's the future of handheld

PS VITA = LIFE

The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1

Diablerie on 05 February 2010

Console leaks from Costco... what's next?  Walmart creates a handheld?