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Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:

It's relevant to the discussion you two were having and you were the who brought both those points up. If they werent relevant than why did you bring them up to begin with?

Because he has this fantasy that years 4/5/6/7 (hah) won't see any decline that is typical for Nintendo platforms just by double dipping on the same IP thus keeping the dream alive that catching the PS4 may somehow happen. 

Lets be real here too ... BOTW2, even if it is a better game than BOTW1 is unlikely to outsell the original right off the hop, but even if it did, really primarily most buyers would be coming from the 15 million that purchased the first game and have a Switch already. 

Show me where he said there would be no decline. He talked about how a decline in hardware will not be as much of an issue anymore because they have more revenue streams including mobile, online subscription, etc.

It's like you cant even follow your own discussion.



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Soundwave said:

Keep in mind Nintendo's developers have been stuck using this same basic level of tech since the Wii U launched in 2012 ... that's now going to be like 8 years ago. That's a long time for developers that good to be locked in to basically one generation. 

Not really, you seem to be ignoring that a whole bunch of teams are making the leap from 3DS to Switch, rather than Wii U to Switch.



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Soundwave said:
curl-6 said:

I'm sure I'll love the leap when it comes, but the longer we wait the better the leap will be, plus the more money's worth I'll get out of my current system.

Unless Nintendo is waiting for matured 3nm 5nm tech which would be stupid, there's really not going to a massive difference in the quality of chip they can get from 7nm, Nvidia likely already has shown them the Switch 2 chip in prototype form.

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure there's more to performance than just the fabrication process, and that you'll be able to get more from an affordable mobile SoC in 2023 than in 2021.



zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:

Keep in mind Nintendo's developers have been stuck using this same basic level of tech since the Wii U launched in 2012 ... that's now going to be like 8 years ago. That's a long time for developers that good to be locked in to basically one generation. 

Not really, you seem to be ignoring that a whole bunch of teams are making the leap from 3DS to Switch, rather than Wii U to Switch.

The core console teams (Zelda team, Retro team, EAD Tokyo's Mario teams, the Mario Kart team) have been working on the same level for almost a decade, sorry but that is hamstringing some of the most talented developers on the planet.

They all will be able to do more on the PS4++ tech and even teams that went from 3DS to Switch ... so what? They will have even more options on a Switch 2. 

If you gave Nintendo developers a GameCube chip instead of an N64 (effectively skipping an entire generation) in 1995 ... that's *good* for the developer, not bad. 



curl-6 said:
Soundwave said:

Unless Nintendo is waiting for matured 3nm 5nm tech which would be stupid, there's really not going to a massive difference in the quality of chip they can get from 7nm, Nvidia likely already has shown them the Switch 2 chip in prototype form.

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure there's more to performance than just the fabrication process, and that you'll be able to get more from an affordable mobile SoC in 2023 than in 2021.

The issue here is no one has been able to provide any evidence of what the hell Nvidia could possible release for 2021 that would make the upgrade worth while.

They are hoping there is something top secret that will come out that will get it close to PS4 level.

This is my big concern, I don't want a pointless jump I want a significant jump. If Nintendo can surprise me somehow then cool, if not I am happy for Switch to last longer till 2024.



 

 

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Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:

It's relevant to the discussion you two were having and you were the who brought both those points up. If they werent relevant than why did you bring them up to begin with?

Because he has this fantasy that years 4/5/6/7 (hah) won't see any decline that is typical for Nintendo platforms just by double dipping on the same IP thus keeping the dream alive that catching the PS4 may somehow happen. 

Lets be real here too ... BOTW2, even if it is a better game than BOTW1 is unlikely to outsell the original right off the hop, but even if it did, really primarily most buyers would be coming from the 15 million that purchased the first game and have a Switch already. 

The switch will start declining in year 5 and it's already ahead of the ps4 aligned. At this point, it's about keeping the advantage instead of catching up. There is no typical decline for any platform based on the company alone.



Cobretti2 said:
curl-6 said:

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure there's more to performance than just the fabrication process, and that you'll be able to get more from an affordable mobile SoC in 2023 than in 2021.

The issue here is no one has been able to provide any evidence of what the hell Nvidia could possible release for 2021 that would make the upgrade worth while.

They are hoping there is something top secret that will come out that will get it close to PS4 level.

This is my big concern, I don't want a pointless jump I want a significant jump. If Nintendo can surprise me somehow then cool, if not I am happy for Switch to last longer till 2024.

No, you are simply ignoring everything that was clearly explained to you. Ps4 level was already achieved and we are getting a die shrink soon. It's no secret that stronger chipsets will keep releasing.



Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:

Yeah, that's not at all what I was talking about, i was referring to these hateful/inflammatory quotes:

"You put dumb internet message board arguments over everything else"

"End up getting dunked on by Sony fans in the end"

"Nobody cares about your obsessive agenda to save face in front of 20 other kids on this board"

How is this relevant to what he said before that? And how do you not see how you are guilty of the exact same thing?

It's pointing out that his agenda by this pov is tiresome and he's been called out for it by multiple posters over the years. He's locked in some kind of bizarre mindset where "beating Sony's LTD" (which isn't going to happen 99% most likely even though just mentioning that probably sets him off) has become like the only thing that matters. 

He's a textbook definition of a console war fanatic, that's all that he obsesses over, he doesn't really bring anything else in the way of technical knowledge or anything else to a Switch 2 discussion. 

Want to talk modern mobile chip tech and 7nm chips and what Nintendo could do with that how they could easily integrate 50GB/sec memory bandwidth for this year or better gains from LPDDR5 which will be easily available by 2022 ... hey sure I'm game to talk about that, so no it's not the same thing at all. 

By the way too, I find this whole "a new system ... OH NOEZ" talk stupid, I've been a Nintendo fan for a long time. Did we cry in fall 1993 when Nintendo announced Project: Reality (aka: the N64) in partnership with SGI even though the SNES was only TWO freaking years old in the US at that point? No. Most Nintendo fans were EXCITED about the possibilities the new system would bring. Not "well what does this mean for the SNES matching the NES' LTD or overtaking the Genesis". No one said shit like that at all, lol, because what the fuck, it's about the games and you get better games when you give talented designers better hardware. 

Indeed, I've been called out plenty of times. But you failed to mention a few important things:

1. The people who called me out are invested in console sales numbers themselves. Hardly a surprise on a website that is about console sales.

2. The people who called me out don't like the thought of Nintendo beating Sony. That's why their responses included their own claims about how successful Switch can be.

3. Time proved those people wrong. Time has silenced them.

You're also invested in console sales numbers, because someone doesn't post over 20,000 times on a sales website by accident; 20,000 posts that include dozens of threads with the main subjects being directly about console sales or strongly relevant to sales.

You've made your own prediction in this thread:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9095413

To put your prediction into context, the current consensus on this website is that Switch will sell through ~20m units in calendar year 2020. Unsurprisingly, those same people would say that shipments of ~20m units are reasonable for the fiscal year ending March 2021. Here's how that lines up with your prediction:

Year ending March 2021: ~20m
Year ending March 2022: ~15m (estimate to make sense out of your prediction)
Year ending March 2023: 10-11m tops (<-your prediction)

Your prediction is the classic "Switch will fall off a cliff" narrative, including follow-up posts that failed to justify your position.



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Nu-13 said:
Cobretti2 said:

The issue here is no one has been able to provide any evidence of what the hell Nvidia could possible release for 2021 that would make the upgrade worth while.

They are hoping there is something top secret that will come out that will get it close to PS4 level.

This is my big concern, I don't want a pointless jump I want a significant jump. If Nintendo can surprise me somehow then cool, if not I am happy for Switch to last longer till 2024.

No, you are simply ignoring everything that was clearly explained to you. Ps4 level was already achieved and we are getting a die shrink soon. It's no secret that stronger chipsets will keep releasing.

He isn't ignoring that. He's still waiting for an explanation how such a chipset could be put into a console anytime soon while other factors like size, price, cooling and battery life are also accounted for.



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RolStoppable said:
Nu-13 said:

No, you are simply ignoring everything that was clearly explained to you. Ps4 level was already achieved and we are getting a die shrink soon. It's no secret that stronger chipsets will keep releasing.

He isn't ignoring that. He's still waiting for an explanation how such a chipset could be put into a console anytime soon while other factors like size, price, cooling and battery life are also accounted for.

Nope. There's nothing alien about a console succeeding another 6 years later and being much more powerful.