Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Dragon Quest XI for Switch delay due UE4, game based on PS4 version of game, why was announced for Switch so early

Darwinianevolution said:
Miyamotoo said:

With fact on mind that most of Switch announcements (including 3rd party) Nintendo is holding close to release, while on other hand SE always announcing game years in advance, chances are on SE side, also in same event they announced PS4 version of game also, not just NX version.

True, but Nintendo needed to get all the attention to the NX they could get, to make people see the system as a serious console competitor instead of just another WiiU. Getting SE to announce the title alongside the rest of the versions was a great way of getting the word out.

There were other, better options for that.  And the Switch version was announced some time after E3 2016.  The game itself was announced in 2015.  There wasn't that much fanfare gained from the announcement honestly.  It was more of an, oh, that's a thing, just more fuel for the rumor mills surrounding NX.  And the announcement came so close to the reveal video of Switch if they wanted to just build hype they could have stuck it in there with some mock up footage.

No this is very much a Square-esque scenario, we've seen them pull this before.



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Nuvendil said:

Meanwhile, at Sudio Wild Card

https://youtu.be/6B6kJm5pOx8

Seriously, this should have been taken care of ages ago.  The UE4 Switch support updates went out over a YEAR AGO.  But here we have a plucky indie dev and their small time porting studio partner beating one of the wealthiest and most influential Japanese publishers to the punch with a game that gives the PS4 and Xbone a run for their money.  

 

This is a display of frankly hilariously sad incompetence.

Well that game is at least published by epic who make ureal engine.



Nuvendil said:
Nem said:

They shouldn't have said anything. No matter what they say, nintendo fans are gonna flip because they can't understand that an underpowered system is a problem to port to.
Nintendo is the only one to blame, imo. They made their choice,with all it's advantages and disavantages. That and people's expectations always running wild.

Yes, i know someone will flip at my comment too, because having an unbiased opinion is an offense. I'll say in advance, i will ignore such posts.

Temper your expectations, it's all i'm saying.

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I am a realist, I know many games are a challenge, I know Switch versions take time.  I never would have requested Doom or Wolfenstein 2 at all and never would have complained of their absence.  And their presence doesn't have me up in arms demanding Battlefront 2 or Battlefield 1 or Witcher 3.  Cool as those would be, those are very challenging.  And I am not complaining at all about Wolfenstein 2's dev cycle cause I get it.  

But DQXI?  No.  No, this is not acceptable.  Wouldn't be on the PS4 or Xbone or PC.  When you take all the elements into consideration, there is no excuse.  This is on Square.  And this is unacceptable.

 

 

Edit:  Sorry this is such a wall of text and I'm sure you weren't trying to pick a fight, but I've seen the attitude I described far too often and it bugs me to death.  And also, calling your opinion the unbiased one, implying those who disagree are biased and wrong by default came off as quite condescending and abrasive.

If i came across with a high and mighty tone, i apologise it wasn't my intention. I don't think i did, but everyone knows that if you post something critical about Nintendo here you get jumped by a pack of wolves.

You were thoughtful so i'm replying to say that i agree with you that squeenix should never have announced a switch version and should have brought the 3DS version. The switch version will probably still come, but they aren't willing to do the engine heavy lifting, wich is their legitimate choice. This statement is them trying to get pressure out.

But you know, theres a root problem on why such a modified version of the engine is required. So, it's just the reality of Nintendo's choices.

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Naum said:
Guess they don't like my money....what else is new S-E

They are smart actually, they want people to double deep. Switch owner who has PC or PS4 will buy on PS4 or PC version if it's take too long and will buy again when the switch version release in the market. 



fatslob-:O said:
Nuvendil said:

That's an awful high and mighty tone you're taking, lumping everyone who dares question Square here is an ignorant, entitled dimwit.  Square set these expectations up. I'm not expecting Switch versions to be conjured from the ether.  But they've had dev kits for a year and a half, possibly longer.  UE4 received its Switch compatibility updates twelve months ago.  Multiple devs porting either more demanding games - Doom and Wolfenstein 2 are obvious examples given id Tech 6 was never intended for any mobile SOC - or UE4 games either have the games out already or have progress to show.  Square has nothing.  Going by this statement, it sounds like they haven't even started or barely have.  If they had said, hey DQXI is coming in November or Q1 2019 and had some footage or screens to show, a lot of people like me would have been fine.  Still would suck but hey.  But this?  Having fuck all to show after a year and a half with the dev kits and over a year with official Unreal Engine 4 support for it and then telling everyone you basically have done nothing and have not a single picture to show?  That's just embarassing.  And of course let's forget they set these standards.  They've had no issue bringign their other announced games so they clearly aren't sitting on their hands like Capcom.  They also announced this game going on 2 years ago for Switch.  They reaffirmed it January 2017.  If this game was such an insurmountable, herculean task (a hilarious notion but I'll play devil's advocate), they should have kept their darn mouths' shut if they didn't want people to hold them to any kind of standard or accountability. 

Well, Square are the ones with the engineers here with internal knowledge so they probably do know what they're doing

Going to stop you right there.
If it's Square's engineers working on this, then I'd say it is clear they do NOT know what they are doing. :P

They've been bungling everything lately.

Enix should get someone more competent like Nintendo, Level 5, or even Chunsoft, for the next game.



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Jumpin said:
fatslob-:O said:

Well, Square are the ones with the engineers here with internal knowledge so they probably do know what they're doing

Going to stop you right there.
If it's Square's engineers working on this, then I'd say it is clear they do NOT know what they are doing. :P

They've been bungling everything lately.

Enix should get someone more competent like Nintendo, Level 5, or even Chunsoft, for the next game.

It's like you have to add at least two years to the development cycle of any internally developed SE game.  Like, if SE announces a new in-house game at E3 for the PS4/XB1, I'm expecting it to be transferred over to the PS5/XB2 three years later, released in 2024, announced for the 'Switch 2' in 2023 and then have it be ported over in 2026.



melbye said:
So what he is saying is there won't be a Switch-version and now they are going drag it for eternity until nobody is asking for it anymore

i think you’re right. at some point he’ll be saying “it’s been so long, there’s no interest anymore” like it was ever going to happen and that it’s the consumer’s fault it never did.



Thechalkblock said:
melbye said:
So what he is saying is there won't be a Switch-version and now they are going drag it for eternity until nobody is asking for it anymore

i think you’re right. at some point he’ll be saying “it’s been so long, there’s no interest anymore” like it was ever going to happen and that it’s the consumer’s fault it never did.

Hardly that will be case, they invested (and they still inveting) time and money in Switch version of game, offcourse that SE want to see profit at end, canceling game would be throwing money through window.



Miyamotoo said:

Hardly that will be case, they invested (and they still inveting) time and money in Switch version of game, offcourse that SE want to see profit at end, canceling game would be throwing money through window.

it sounds to me like they’re finding the port harder to accomplish than they originally thought. it might come to the point where they decide to cut their losses if complications for the port continue and the work takes (or will take) too long for them to commit further.

who knows for sure. i hope the game makes it to switch eventually as i’d buy it, but i’m going to take a more cautious approach in my expectations. maybe it’s because this kind of thing happened to me far too often with the wii u.



Thechalkblock said:
Miyamotoo said:

Hardly that will be case, they invested (and they still inveting) time and money in Switch version of game, offcourse that SE want to see profit at end, canceling game would be throwing money through window.

it sounds to me like they’re finding the port harder to accomplish than they originally thought. it might come to the point where they decide to cut their losses if complications for the port continue and the work takes (or will take) too long for them to commit further.

who knows for sure. i hope the game makes it to switch eventually as i’d buy it, but i’m going to take a more cautious approach in my expectations. maybe it’s because this kind of thing happened to me far too often with the wii u.

In that case they wouldn't again confirmed Switch release, and again saying that game is coming to West also. With information we having (that PS4 West release is more remaster compred to Japanese release), it seems that they using updated version of engine for Switch also, but with point they most likly porting PS4 version, PS4 version will be out first.