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NYANKS said:
Angelv577 said:
VGPolyglot said:
Angelv577 said:
Blood_Tears said:
xenogears1234 said:
Not gonna lie 13 countries for the xbone vs only 1 for sony (cant wait for the european sells next week), and they still barely sold more consoles than sony wow. Even more surprising that as the stronghold for ms that sony outperformed them in the usa launch vs launch didn't see that one coming.


Well technically 2 countries for Sony. Canada and US.  :)


Tecnically it's 3 countries: Canada, US and Puerto Rico, but yeah, a very small country than no one know about.

Puerto Rico's part of the United States, so it would still be 2.


I know, that's why i said tecnically, but since Puerto Rico isn't a state yet, what i said it still true.

It's technically a commonwealth of  the United States, so it's still 2.

ok, my point was to mention how many country received the console, no point in arguing about stupid things like this.



one console sold more then the other in the launch window doesn't mean anything really
i thought we had establised this previous gen 7 YEARS AGO



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tuscaniman99 said:

Because Sony only shipped in NA first week.  If MS strictly shipped in only NA instead of 13 countries they would have sold the same amount.

You can't be so deluded.  Seriously.  Is it possible to be so blinded by one's allegiences? Just, wow. 



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Aielyn said:
Subie_Greg said:
No I understand it quite well

They would not have sold out all consoles at launch if they only sold it in NA like Sony did. I know for fact that you could walk in Gamestops in both Dallas and Pitt and get and Xbox One without a preorder. I also know Best Buys in Philly area were still selling Xbox One after the first 24 hours.

So adding 4-500 K into the NA launch would mean no sold out since they really didn't do so to begin with

There were places in Australia, in 2006, where you could walk into a game store a few days after the Wii launch and still find Wiis... they were, in most places in the country, sold out very quickly, but there were some places where they were still available.

In other words, a couple of data points does not make information. You know of certain stores that were still selling units after 24 hours... what about the rest of them?

What you have committed is called "confirmation bias" - you observe a couple of stores with some stock left, and ignore all the stores with none left, because doing so allows you to say "there are stores with stock left over", which supports your preconceived idea.

I want to know how he can confirm both Dallas and Pitt.  Did you walk over to stores in both cities? They are a bit far apart arent they?



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tuscaniman99 said:
Panicnausia said:

Disagree, this is not last gen... Xbox having a 1 year head start and price advantage all last gen was a major reason Xbox had such a lead in ther US... Won't be near as easy this time even if MS drops the price by 50 next year. Xbox also had a majoe game advantage first 2 year with Oblivion, Bioshock, Mass Effect and numerous other BIG  third party games being only on xbox. They dont have any of that advanatge and Sony will have usually better multiplats..

360 dominated PS3 in the US. It would take over 20% of 360 owners to jump ship just for PS4 to tie in the US. Its not going to happen. This gen it will be much closer but Xbox One will win the US. So Titanfall and Halo are not an advantage for US? I strongly disagree.


Why shouldn't we expect a sufficient portion of 360 owners to jump ship? Americans don't have any collective allegiance to one brand, and are a very mercenary bunch compared to the other two major regions. We went with Nintendo in the 8- & 16-bit eras (though many of us did jump ship to Sega in the latter, costing Nintendo a large chunk of market share), we favored Sony in the fifth & sixth generations (the PS2 had NES-level domination), then back to Nintendo, then the 360 started being the best seller in 2011. Compare that to the Europeans, who clearly favor PlayStation above all other brands (though the Wii was #1 in the region for four years in annual sales, though the PS3 will likely take the #1 position for the generation as a whole), and the Japanese, who only buy Japanese systems (Sony and Nintendo have been the only sales leaders in Japan). Competition for the #1 spot in America is much stiffer.

The PS4 has some advantages both short-term and long-term over the XBO. The most notable is price. All other things being equal, the item with the lower price will in all likelihood sell better. For most consumers, I would imagine they'd take a look at two systems that both have very comparable game libraries (both have COD, Battlefield, Assassin's Creed, and the usual sports titles like Madden, and both will also get big future titles like the inevitable GTA6), but one costs $500 and the other costs $400, the former because it has some camera thing. MS isn't really selling Kinect 2.0 to the people, and thus they're not doing much to justify that $500 price tag to the average consumer, particularly the lower-information ones. Even among dedicated gamers who keep up with everything, there's a good chance that many of those who are still "undecided voters" (and I imagine they're the majority, whereas the more dedicated fanbases of any given platform are likely a minority) don't see the merit in spending $100 more just for a fancy camera accessory. It sure wasn't enough to sway me into being an early adopter, even though the 360 was my primary seventh-gen system. Until the XBO reaches price parity with the PS4, I think the cost will hobble its sales, and by time it does reach price parity, it may be too late.

The only other big difference between the two besides a bundled camera is exclusive games. In the short term, they're essentially on par. By the end of spring, both will have accumulated four notable AAA retail titles that are exclusive to either platform, and by the end of 2014 they'll still be pretty close in terms of number of notable titles. Of course, contrary to your assertion that Titanfall or Halo will be major game-changers, no one title is ever enough by itself to sway things in a system's favor. Individual titles can and often do offer temporary boosts, but they don't attract new gamers in the long term. As the 360's first real killer app, Gears of War was probably attracting a decent number of people to the system in holiday 2006. It was the third best-selling game in America that year, and the best-selling non-Nintendo game. But was it still making a significant impact in 2008 or later? Probably not. Halo 3 was even bigger and was a definite system-seller (it was the main reason I got a 360), but was it still selling an appreciable number of systems by time ODST or Reach came out? I doubt it.

While Titanfall may give the XBO a solid boost this spring and Halo 5 might be an even bigger boost next fall, by themselves they won't be enough to permanently tip the scales in MS's favor. By time Titanfall debuts, the XBO might have a U.S. install base of between 2 to 2.5 million (the 360 was at a little over a million by the week ending March 11, 2006), with an average baseline of around 80k a week, give or take. If that is indeed the approximate size of the install base, Titanfall may sell at most 400k to 500k copies first week (Gears sold 516k first week on an install base of just under 2.9 million, an attach rate of about 18%), with total 2014 sales of around 2 to 2.5 million. Assuming their sales curves are identical (in other words, they're selling at the same proportion each week for Q1), the PS4 will probably be selling at a roughly 20% higher rate. So, hardware sales for the XBO may get a sufficient boost to propel it ahead of the PS4 for the week ending March 11, and perhaps also the following week. But then again, just because there's a lot of buzz surrounding Titanfall doesn't guarantee it'll be huge. Hype doesn't translate into sales. But it is the XBO's sole major AAA exclusive for the first half of the year, which will help its sales. But let's not also forget that Sony has their own exclusives: Infamous: Second Son and Driveclub are both coming out in Q1 as well, and while they may not have as much buzz as Titanfall, they will probably move a few systems between the two of them. Even more important, though, are multiplatform titles, which help boost sales for both systems when they prove to be popular enough. In this regard, the PS4 has the edge. The two biggest multiplatform titles for the first half of 2014 are arguably Watch Dogs and Destiny. Based on available data, preorders are favoring the PS4 ports of these games by a considerable amount, and that might not change all that much in just six months. So, while the XBO might beat the PS4 for a week or two in March, and Halo 5 might make this fall somewhat more competetive, I think the odds of the XBO being the sales leader for 2014 in America are very low, and Titanfall and Halo 5 by themselves won't be enough to change that.

However, in the long term, Sony has a clear advantage. While MS has only four major first-party studios producing AAA games — 343 Industries, Turn 10, Lionhead, and the as-yet unproven Black Tusk — and a single de facto second party (Remedy), Sony has a veritable army of first party studios, with several second-parties working with them. Microsoft is far more dependent on securing exclusivity rights to third-party titles. While all of PS4's announced exclusives are first- or second-party, only two of the XBO's are, those being Forza 5 and Halo 5. Unless MS expands their in-house efforts, the XBO will end up like the 360 did, with comparatively far fewer exclusives as time goes on. By 2009, the 360 had been whittled down to Halo, Forza, Fable, and Gears, with Alan Wake being in there somewhere (and MS doesn't own Gears), while the PS3 had, well, there's been a lot in the past four years. What will the XBO's exclusives lineup look like by 2017? If history repeats itself, it'll be looking rather sparse compared to the PS4. While third-party titles are still among the biggest titles these days, exclusives are still important as they are one of the main differentiators between the systems and some of the more popular ones can be hugely successful.

If both history and the initial conditions of the eighth generation are any indications, Sony will likely reclaim the top spot in America this go around.



thx1139 said:
Aielyn said:
Subie_Greg said:
No I understand it quite well

They would not have sold out all consoles at launch if they only sold it in NA like Sony did. I know for fact that you could walk in Gamestops in both Dallas and Pitt and get and Xbox One without a preorder. I also know Best Buys in Philly area were still selling Xbox One after the first 24 hours.

So adding 4-500 K into the NA launch would mean no sold out since they really didn't do so to begin with

There were places in Australia, in 2006, where you could walk into a game store a few days after the Wii launch and still find Wiis... they were, in most places in the country, sold out very quickly, but there were some places where they were still available.

In other words, a couple of data points does not make information. You know of certain stores that were still selling units after 24 hours... what about the rest of them?

What you have committed is called "confirmation bias" - you observe a couple of stores with some stock left, and ignore all the stores with none left, because doing so allows you to say "there are stores with stock left over", which supports your preconceived idea.

I want to know how he can confirm both Dallas and Pitt.  Did you walk over to stores in both cities? They are a bit far apart arent they?

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Also you don't need me to tell you this. Kotaku, Ign, and a bunch of other sites had up that you could walk in and buy Xbox Ones at launch. 

So point still stands that if they had 500 k more for NA launch, they wouldn't have sold out at launch



Subie_Greg said:
tuscaniman99 said:

Because Sony only shipped in NA first week.  If MS strictly shipped in only NA instead of 13 countries they would have sold the same amount.


No they wouldn't have


So there would have been 400,000 Xbox Ones on the shelf? Yes they would have sold out of every single Xbox One which was the same amount as PS4s shipped. Looks to be Xbox One is going to dominate in NA black friday sales as well.



Runa216 said:
tuscaniman99 said:

Because Sony only shipped in NA first week.  If MS strictly shipped in only NA instead of 13 countries they would have sold the same amount.

You can't be so deluded.  Seriously.  Is it possible to be so blinded by one's allegiences? Just, wow. 


Microsoft shipped over a million consoles launch day. Are you saying that there would be 400,000 Xbox Ones sitting on the shelf right now in NA? No every single one would have sold out which would have matched PS4 NA sales. The only one deluded is you.



tuscaniman99 said:
Subie_Greg said:
tuscaniman99 said:

Because Sony only shipped in NA first week.  If MS strictly shipped in only NA instead of 13 countries they would have sold the same amount.


No they wouldn't have


So there would have been 400,000 Xbox Ones on the shelf? Yes they would have sold out of every single Xbox One which was the same amount as PS4s shipped. Looks to be Xbox One is going to dominate in NA black friday sales as well.


Again, if you could get an Xbox One without a preorder at launch, then your saying 400,000 MORE people would have done so as well.

No