Some of these so called "hardcore" gamers make me laugh. They contradict themselves so much it's absurd. Basically no matter what Nintendo does, they condemn them.

- Nintendo has a massive sucessful console like the Wii: "Nintendo is selling out to teh stupid casualz! They don't make games for US anymore!!!1"

- Nintendo goes back to catering to the hardcore at the expense of greater sales (N64/Gamecube/Wii U): "Nintendo is doomed! Why buy hardcore games on Nintendo consoles when you can buy better ones on the HD consoles??

Look at the foolish Bayonetta 2 fans, many of them are probably the same people that knocked Nintendo for not releasing games for them, and catering to the "casuals." So Nintendo publishes a game that caters directly to them, and what do they do? Whine and curse out Nintendo for some stupid reason, (despite the fact that the game would not exist without Nintendo). I will never understand the hardcore..

This is why Nintendo might as well abandon trying to cater to hardcore and go back to the "selling out" of the Wii, because most of these people are never going to be satisfied no matter what they do. When they DO release games that appeal to them, they either ignore them, or whine and rant that it isn't on THEIR console. No, they won't actually BUY a Nintendo console to get the games they want when they do come, they just want to whine and criticize Nintendo when these games DON'T come. I have come to the conculsion that a very large portion of the "hardcore" out there have no intention on buying a Nintendo console REGARDLESS of what games are released on it. They just use the "lack of hardcore games" excuse as fuel for their trolling.

When they try to cater to this audience, their sales suffer anyway. If you're going to be hated regardless by these stubborn people, you might as well be hated while raking in extra $.

I could not agree more - I do praise Nintendo just because is Nintendo and people do the same with XBox and Sony so it is and always will be a lose lose situation.

We just writing, comemnting and talk for the sake of it - no one will ever change mind about anything in gaming.

People will make excuses for the sake of making excuses. You'll find that if the second coming of Christ came to work at Nintendo, it would STILL be hated.

Man, it has never been about nintendo's decisions the hate comes because is nintendo, ''harcore gamerz don't like nintendo cuz iz kiddy n' stuff'' Satoru Iwata could come out and say ''Free games and consoles for everyone! just pick yours up at your local store!'' and people would still find a way to complain about that...

The interesting part is, Nintendo controlled their dominance by manipulating 3rd parties. Sony controlled their dominance by manipulating their customers.

Wait, what?

Hardcore and causal. Who cares? I can play Mario Kart hardcore, I easily had 1,000+ hours in 64, DD and Wii. Maybe you can't be a hardcore Wii Fit gamer but that's a different thing. Just shows Nintendo can do both. I don't want to know how many CoD gamers would be "casuals" when you say casuals are people who only buy few games instead of going by gaming hours. And don't base those terms on visuals, haha.

Nintendo doesn't need to be king to be successful. And they don't need all the world to love them. Just like people should stop stating weird (personal) reasons on the net trying to make everyone believe they are right about Nintendo being sucky, you should start ignoring those people, play your Nintendo games and silently laugh about those who miss out on it.

Totally agree! haha

But these same people are quite fun to watch and read in the forums.. while they laugh at Nintendos business decisions cause they absolutely cannot understand Nintendos plans.. they think Nintendo is wrong cause its not the same as their fanboy logic.. (yet Nintendo continues on to make money) and when they get proven wrong they get desperate and move the goal post LOL!.. they are all sorts of level of stupid.. =) but hey they are fun to have around..

lets just sit back and watch them continue on with the wiiU doom threads.. they need some form of happiness too .. wait till the PS4/720 comes out! because however the wiiU is doing in sale the PS4/720 will be well below it! see (vita vs 3DS example) vita strong hardware and OMGz! Total of TWO! not one TWO THUMBS STICKS!! is what gamers really want!!!.. that turned out well for their predictions lol

The problem is partially Nintendos fault and it can have many factors:

- Kiddy image: Microsofts statement that gamers grow up with Nintendo but will graduate to other consoles.
- Not being worried about western means of what makes a game next gen like powerful processors. Being behind hinders third parties in the west from wanting to make games for them on par with the competition.
- The advent of Xbox Live and the Playstation network for the competitive gamer.
- The third party drought that has been going onfor twenty years since the Playstation first arrived. Half the reason the N64 & Gamecube didnt sell that well.
- Nintendo has given up on going head to head with the competition, so they go around them. Even this gen, thats what they are doing.
- Nintendo wont drop the family image they hold onto. Nintendo is a traditionally family company and those who buy their product need to be realistic and realize that. They let the third parties and former second parties do the dirty games for them.
- They refuse to share the playing field with their gamers whom have grown up. No relatable first party for older players. If they want to get that, they have to go to third party. Where as with Sony you get both kiddy, teen and mature characters all in one breath. They refuse to grow up with the older gamers who grew with them. 


Nintendo holds a place in all of our hearts, but the problem with Nintendo is an internal one. They chose not to pander to the casuals and for that they will sell half of what the Wii Sold. They need to learn how to satisfy both markets from the start.

It's the same for Microsoft and Sony......just don`t take it personally and enjoy the games you want to play.