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burninmylight on 12 June 2026
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angrypoolman said:
Mnementh said:

Oh no, you alone have the power to decide what is big based on your personal tastes. And even though Starfox crashed and burned every time since the N64: Star Fox Zero, Star Fox 64 3D. But no, it must be a big because angrypoolman likes it. And everyone who cannot see it's greatness must be purposely obtuse.

As the teenager I am according to you, in the 90s I played Baldur's 1+2. This franchise was abandoned for more than 2 decades, but Baldur's Gate 3 proved it is still a relevant franchise today. So old franchises *can* still be relevant. Starfox got so many chances by Nintendo over the years, but clearly nobody gives a shit anymore. Nintendo is better off torching this franchises and focusing their effort on more relevant - and quite frankly better - franchises. That they keep wasting their developer time on that is impossible to understand.

those star fox games crashed and burned because they were garbage. 

i know, i know. who am i to say theyre garbage, another instance of me saying what i like is superior and what everyone else likes doesnt matter blah blah blah

well guess what, theyre garbage. baldurs gate 3 wasnt garbage which is why it was able to re establish relevance again. maybe they should make a star fox that isnt garbage, which is what this remake could have been.

and yes you must be a teenager because you must not remember ten years ago when star fox zero was in development. people were absolutely hyped for that game because it looked like it was going to be a return to form. but no, they decided to fuck with it and now it is generally regarded as more garbage. they havent given star fox a fair shot, they always are doing some bullshit with it, which is why the franchise sucks now. what i am saying is so obvious to anyone who has been around and paid attention just a little bit.

Garbage or not, every Star Fox game after N64 ended up being something fans didn't want or ask for, and either didn't do well critically, came with a hated gimmick, or launched on a dead/dying console (or a combination of two or three of those factors).

Whenever a Star Fox game releases on a console that people actually own (SNES, N64, 3DS) and is a straightforward game with no bullshit gimmicks like being a discount Legend of Zelda or using uncomfortable touch controls with two screens, Star Fox sells reasonably well. Mnemeth compared Star Fox to Fire Emblem to say the latter is a bigger IP, but the best selling FE games have sold comparably to the best selling Star Fox games, only those FE games have the advantage of either being an original game on the Switch and the 3DS, while SF's best games were on older consoles with much smaller install bases. The only time that FE has outsold SF on the same console is Awakening and Echoes on the 3DS, and that was against a remake that had fewer years in between than Star Fox 2026 has after SF3D.

Saying all that to say that Star Fox is as big as Fire Emblem, especially when Nintendo actually gives people a version of SF that people want to play.