[Variety] Disney's Boy Trouble: Corp seeking ways to win back young men

[Torillian]

EricHiggin said:

Torillian said:

ok, so then show me any evidence that the women in that field are the top tier. Because when I look up lists of the most famous architects or "the best architects" it's all dudes except Jeanne Gang. Why would it be that women aren't known for or flock to this field that naturally they should be so much better at? 

The issue is who decides what makes the most sense and how accurate are they. I imagine that there are so few female architects because it's been thought of as dude's work even though they seem like they'd naturally be better at it. Think of all the amazing architects who never even considered the field because society pushed them away. Similarly how many Francis Arnold's would we have in Chemistry that were lost to being housewives back in the 30's and before? Allowing people to pursue what they want as a career is the easiest way to try to naturally sort people into the best positions, because the question is too granular to say "most architects should probably be women because they care more about how people are impacted by building design". 

How many woman aren't getting the credit they're due? Has that been a problem across the globe? How many buildings are laid out really well internally and look great, inside and out? Could they have looked better if woman had done the work? Do those famous men actually do good work, or are there other reasons for their fame?

You keep putting me in the category of men and woman can only do this or that, when that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying it's one thing to allow men and woman to try new things as they like. It's another to push for them to do so. The same people who don't like how men and woman were pushed into positions in the past, are trying to push them into fields now.

Let them try, and if they can cut it, then there's no problem with them doing it, but don't lower standards for anyone just so they can have the position. And if you're going to try to use Hollywood to get the message out that everyone's allowed to do anything, make sure they understand they have to be able to meet the requirements, and don't take a male franchise and change it to female. Making men look like idiot's in those male franchises, so woman can overcome them, should be seen as insulting and not empowerment. Same with Rey Skywalker, being able to just be impossibly amazing, just because she is, should be insulting, and is a terrible message for females rising to the occasion. Make new IP, movies and shows, and write the story so men are dominant in some way, but then through hard work, determination, intelligence, etc, the woman, are able to match or exceed the men. Don't put one person down to lift another person up. It's liberalism 101 for heavens sake.

We don't like how they were not allowed into fields in the past. So now we encourage people to know it's an option. You can't have hundreds of years of pigeon holing people based on gender and assume that if you stop everything will be even and you can ignore it. We're encouraging people to go outside the previous societal norms, but noone is being forced like the situation was in the past. 

Apologies for not getting this into the topic of Star Wars but I just couldn't possibly care less about that facet of this.