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[EricHiggin]

Torillian said:

EricHiggin said:

Most people aren't top tier in terms of what they do. Just because there's less woman, doesn't mean those woman aren't the top tier in their line of work. I wouldn't exactly say the majority of buildings are all well laid out and extremely pleasing to the eye.

Nobody also said it's ladies work. What was said was that females and lgbt would do a much better job in those positions because they care more about the people who will be impacted. Not all positions require that human touch.

Some prefer that people simply do what they like. Some prefer people do what makes most sense. It's why rules and regulations exist. You can't just have everyone doing whatever they like, and for those who are negatively impacted by the rules, we as a society see it as "tough luck" for the most part. Letting everyone simply do what they like for work will lead to far less highly skilled professionals and less efficiency overall. Those things mainly come when focusing on having the best who can do those jobs, taking those positions, whether they like the role itself or not. Just depends on what society as a whole decides is most important to them.

ok, so then show me any evidence that the women in that field are the top tier. Because when I look up lists of the most famous architects or "the best architects" it's all dudes except Jeanne Gang. Why would it be that women aren't known for or flock to this field that naturally they should be so much better at? 

The issue is who decides what makes the most sense and how accurate are they. I imagine that there are so few female architects because it's been thought of as dude's work even though they seem like they'd naturally be better at it. Think of all the amazing architects who never even considered the field because society pushed them away. Similarly how many Francis Arnold's would we have in Chemistry that were lost to being housewives back in the 30's and before? Allowing people to pursue what they want as a career is the easiest way to try to naturally sort people into the best positions, because the question is too granular to say "most architects should probably be women because they care more about how people are impacted by building design". 

How many woman aren't getting the credit they're due? Has that been a problem across the globe? How many buildings are laid out really well internally and look great, inside and out? Could they have looked better if woman had done the work? Do those famous men actually do good work, or are there other reasons for their fame?

You keep putting me in the category of men and woman can only do this or that, when that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying it's one thing to allow men and woman to try new things as they like. It's another to push for them to do so. The same people who don't like how men and woman were pushed into positions in the past, are trying to push them into fields now.

Let them try, and if they can cut it, then there's no problem with them doing it, but don't lower standards for anyone just so they can have the position. And if you're going to try to use Hollywood to get the message out that everyone's allowed to do anything, make sure they understand they have to be able to meet the requirements, and don't take a male franchise and change it to female. Making men look like idiot's in those male franchises, so woman can overcome them, should be seen as insulting and not empowerment. Same with Rey Skywalker, being able to just be impossibly amazing, just because she is, should be insulting, and is a terrible message for females rising to the occasion. Make new IP, movies and shows, and write the story so men are dominant in some way, but then through hard work, determination, intelligence, etc, the woman, are able to match or exceed the men. Don't put one person down to lift another person up. It's liberalism 101 for heavens sake.