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Hardstuck-Platinum said:
EricHiggin said:

below V.

EricHiggin said:

Plenty of casuals simply won't console game if they can't get what they want for a reasonable price, and will go mobile. Plenty of those casuals will just get a Switch 2 for $449 instead of a $700 PS6 if they're into console type gaming enough. Many would just keep their PS5, or get a used one, even an XB Series, to play GTAVI. Some will even get a PC instead. There's also those who just won't game anymore and will find another pastime. 

SNY forgetting what they learned with PS3 would be a sad gen in console land, because at least XB was there to keep those casuals in the red ocean. Doing something like that again with PS6, without XB being much of a factor, will cause plenty to jump into the blue ocean instead, or will just get out of the water entirely.

Thinking you've got 100M+ guaranteed dedicated customers who will buy your product no matter what is the type of thinking that led to PS3 and its struggle to just hit 87M sales. Doesn't matter if it would be a different situation with the same mindset this time, the outcome will also be different overall yet similar in the end due to that mindset.

Simple question. If the 360 didn't exist, don't you think it's safe to assume ps3 would've got at least another 20 million sales? I think it was the powerful and cheap 360 that swooped in and stole the sales from PS3 that did the damage to the PS3. It wasn't Sony's attitude or mindset that did it. Without 360 the mindset wouldn't have been punished because there would have been no alternative to PS3. People would have had to buy it if they wanted a true next gen console. I don't really consider the Wii part of the ps3/360 battle. 

If the 360 didn't exist, don't you think its safe to assume Wii would've sold another (insert number here) ?  How many more PS2's get sold?

The question isn't that simple. Just because you don't think some casuals would've gone for Wii instead of PS3, doesn't mean they wouldn't.

Without the 360 sales to compare PS3 to early on, would SNY have pushed to downgrade PS3's abilities to get out a cheaper Slim version asap?

I'm going to skip all the other possible PS3 differences there could've been.

If a $599 PS3 somehow, someway, sells $110M+ units or more, what does that mean for PS4?

2013 ish launch still? for $699? 2016 ish launch (or later) for Pro at $799? Does PS4 even hit $100M then?

PS5 around 2020 for $899? Pro around 2024 for $1099?

* PS5 and Pro are still based on Cell BE in this scenario as well.

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 19 May 2025

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