Ryuu96 said:
I'm not going to say that America hasn't made many foreign policy mistakes over the years, including the Democrats and they have many war-hawks in the Democrat Party (side-note, Trump is one too) but in the context of Russia-Ukraine, throwing Ukraine under the bus and rewarding Russia is exactly the kind of thing that will lead to more wars, did we learn nothing from how effective appeasement was in WW2? Shit, I don't like Obama's foreign policy, it was marked with drone striking the fuck out of everything but it's thanks to Obama's weak inaction that we're here in the first place, Obama didn't stoke the flames with Russia when they invaded Ukraine in 2014. He did the exact opposite! He gave Russia a slap on the wrist and moved on, it's thanks to our inaction in 2014 that we're here today. In the case of Biden, I don't think you've seen how critical I've been of Biden in the Russia-Ukraine thread, I always get a laugh when people say Biden is stoking the flames with Russia when in actual fact it's the exact opposite, all the Europeans in the Russia-Ukraine thread will tell you how cowardly Biden has consistently been during the course of the war in the name of "escalation management" It needs reminding that.
All these developments have been directly linked to Jake Sullivan and Biden in the name of "escalation management" to avoid upsetting Russia too much, despite dozens of Russia's so-called "red-lines" in the past being broken and Russia doing precisely fuck all about it, there's even a Wiki list on Russia's red-lines now they've became that much of a joke. Almost every single country in Europe (including Ukraine, obviously) with the exception of Germany and Hungary have been more aggressive towards wanting to deal with Russia than America has. Some countries even want to shoot down Russian missiles and drones that enter their airspace (notably, Poland, Baltics and Romania) but they can't do so without support from their allies which they don't yet have. I've actually been blasting Biden pretty damn hard in the Russia thread for his constant attempts to NOT stoke the flames, because I do not believe there's any flames to stoke when it comes to Russia. Except if we were to march on Moscow, Lmao. Obviously then, that would be a flame. But nobody is suggesting that. Now watch as Ukraine uses Storm Shadow missile on Russia for the first time, watch as Russia does nothing, once again, like the dozens of other times they've threatened us with nukes and consequences, watch as we realise that we wasted months of debate and countless Ukrainians lives for fuck all once again because Russia scares America too much. |
I'm not asking for them to throw Ukraine under the bus, I'm asking for a world where America gets out of it completely and we actually settle this ourselves. Russias biggest request is NATO not encroaching on their border, why can't we give them that? So many people have to die but we can't give them something so basic? Why?
They are stoking the flames though, they're stoking them since the start. I'm as sick with Americans as I am with Russia. They fucking escalate and have excavated every part of this nonsense when there is EASY diplomatic responses to ease tensions. Easy ones. Take NATO away from the border, reduce military bases, be fucking civil.
Russia doesn't scare America one bit, the American media wants Americans scared. Fuck them both.
Not once have I seen any respect for young Russian soldiers sent into this shit, or any empathy towards them at all. Same old shit, kill the young for the old man's mistakes. I want to see Kamala/Trump come out and say this is an immense fuck up but we can fix it outside of the Battlefield, there's no need for young people to die. We can sort this over the table.
