LegitHyperbole said:
I'm not saying they'd start a war. I'm saying they'll inject war. Make it worse, Stoke the flames. Use countries against themselves. Usual democratic affairs. I'm also not saying your republican side is better and I hate that I have to say this by default, I am not your right wing party. I'm European. |
I'm not going to say that America hasn't made many foreign policy mistakes over the years, including the Democrats and they have many war-hawks in the Democrat Party (side-note, Trump is one too) but in the context of Russia-Ukraine, throwing Ukraine under the bus and rewarding Russia is exactly the kind of thing that will lead to more wars, did we learn nothing from how effective appeasement was in WW2?
Shit, I don't like Obama's foreign policy, it was marked with drone striking the fuck out of everything but it's thanks to Obama's weak inaction that we're here in the first place, Obama didn't stoke the flames with Russia when they invaded Ukraine in 2014. He did the exact opposite! He gave Russia a slap on the wrist and moved on, it's thanks to our inaction in 2014 that we're here today.
In the case of Biden, I don't think you've seen how critical I've been of Biden in the Russia-Ukraine thread, I always get a laugh when people say Biden is stoking the flames with Russia when in actual fact it's the exact opposite, all the Europeans in the Russia-Ukraine thread will tell you how cowardly Biden has consistently been during the course of the war in the name of "escalation management"
It needs reminding that.
- UK was the first to send ATGMs.
- UK broke the "taboo" of sending MBTs which America spent months debating and we sent the first tanks.
- UK broke the "taboo" of sending long-range missiles which America spent months debating, then still didn't send long-range missiles until months after UK and France did.
- America has yet to send a single F-16, those have all been European donations so far.
- It took months of debate for America to finally allow Ukraine to use American weapons on Russia soil, months after dozens of European countries already gave Ukraine their approval.
- For months now; Ukraine, UK, Poland, Czech Republic, The Baltics (Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia), The Nordics (Finland, Denmark) have been begging America to allow long-range missile strikes on Russia and only now there seems to be a breakthrough.
- America banned UK from allowing UK made Storm Shadow missiles to be used on Russia despite UK wanting to allow Ukraine to do so.
All these developments have been directly linked to Jake Sullivan and Biden in the name of "escalation management" to avoid upsetting Russia too much, despite dozens of Russia's so-called "red-lines" in the past being broken and Russia doing precisely fuck all about it, there's even a Wiki list on Russia's red-lines now they've became that much of a joke.
Almost every single country in Europe (including Ukraine, obviously) with the exception of Germany and Hungary have been more aggressive towards wanting to deal with Russia than America has. Some countries even want to shoot down Russian missiles and drones that enter their airspace (notably, Poland, Baltics and Romania) but they can't do so without support from their allies which they don't yet have.
I've actually been blasting Biden pretty damn hard in the Russia thread for his constant attempts to NOT stoke the flames, because I do not believe there's any flames to stoke when it comes to Russia. Except if we were to march on Moscow, Lmao. Obviously then, that would be a flame. But nobody is suggesting that.
Now watch as Ukraine uses Storm Shadow missile on Russia for the first time, watch as Russia does nothing, once again, like the dozens of other times they've threatened us with nukes and consequences, watch as we realise that we wasted months of debate and countless Ukrainians lives for fuck all once again because Russia scares America too much.
Biden's foreign policy with Israel and Ukraine needs to be reversed, Israel needs more rules and restrictions on it and they need to stop sending Israel offensive weaponry, Ukraine needs less rules and restrictions on it and they need to send Ukraine better weaponry. Ukraine is fighting a far tougher enemy than Israel fighting a bunch of Hamas/Hezbollah terrorists, Ukraine follows rules and international law far better than Israel does. Israel is the one who can defend itself, Ukraine can't without support (but will die trying). But for some reason Americans are eternally cucked onto Israel.
Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 12 September 2024
