Aloy has displaced Lara Croft!

[Mnementh]

Jaicee said:

Mnementh said:

If young people *really* are more familiar with Aloy than Lara Croft and if they really still are in 10 to 15 years, then you will have a point. But at this point it is all speculation. Horizon Zero Dawn is a successful commercial product. But many successful commercial products have come and gone without leaving a bigger cultural imprint. To judge that we need to see into the future, and I at least can't.

The thing I am conflicting with is the term "cultural icon", because that term to me has a much deeper meaning than one fleeting successful product. I have no problem whatsoever to note the success of this game, 20M isn't something a lot of games achieve.

Yes, people really are hung up on that one subjective word I used in the OP to the point of, well, missing my main point even though I've subsequently clarified it multiple times now. This was supposed to be a celebratory thread, but because I'm the author instead I've offended everyone somehow again. That's how it fucking works. Everything I do goes to hell. I'm always in the minority opinion on everything. People look for any little teeny, tiny, nitpicky faults they can possibly find with everything I say and use them to ruin everything because they don't like me because there's something wrong with me.

If to make this any clearer, forget I ever used the term "icon", okay? It was a mistake. I should never have said that. I probably should never say anything really because I'm always going to be wrong. But please just try re-reading the OP again without that one word. I'll make it easier for you and retroactively delete it. I wish I could just delete this whole thread because all it is now is just yet another hit to my whole image and reputation around here because there weren't enough of those yet.

I was just trying to say that it sold more copies than the best-selling Tomb Raider, making it the best-selling heroine-focused game ever. That's all. Something factually non-disputable about which I'm still somehow absolutely wrong anyway. Nevermind. It's ruined.

EDIT: There. The offending line is gone now.

Sorry, I didn't wanted to attack your personality. You celebrated a milestone and added a opinion. I agreed on the milestone and had a different opinion. I think discussions like these are refreshing, iterating over differing point of views. You don't need to see my disagreement with your concrete stance as an disagreement on your existance and I am very sorry if you see it as such. Stand with your opinion. I actually talked about the term cultural icon in my last post, because I gathered that we have differing views on that and therefore to explain my understanding and concluding opinions. That doesn't deny your stance on it, I actually said: "because that term to me has a much deeper meaning". You see I actually pointed out my point of view, this doesn't negate yours.