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LordTheNightKnight said:
The PS2 was the clear winner soon after the other two systems launched, and that didn't stop the gaming press from gushing all over it.

The Wii is something they want to go away, so they refuse to acknowledge it. Anything else is just an excuse to justify that stance. It's not them not liking the Wii. It's the stupid idea they can make it not matter by pretending that is so.

The PS2 got all the big games, all of them.

The Wii got got all the big Nintendo games.

 

As much as the Wii is selling, The HD systems get the games usually generation Winners get, which is very weird.



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Well wii won ages ago, its boring to talk about it

& the hardcore guys who care a lot about sales find their big games on PS360





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pariz said:
demonfox13 said:
tehsage said:
Sorcery said:
tehsage said:
Sorcery said:
It's because very, very few talented development teams are working on the Wii compared to the PS3 and the 360. Most third parties have their best teams working on the PS3 or 360 (see: EA, Ubisoft, Capcom, etc).

The Wii is getting Monster Hunter Tri, though! :D

Does MH3, ports of great last-gen games, a lot of Resident Evil, and Zack & Wiki match up well against Dead Rising, Lost Planet, DMC4, RE5, SFIV, and Dark Void? :p

I think I enjoyed Zach and Wiki more than all the non Wii games mentioned together.

I guess Demon's Souls is no good.....oh wait, it's too hard for the casual market hehe nvm.

That is exactly the kind of comment we are talking about (I bet you would do great with Fire Emblem, smart ass).

As in movies, by instance, there is lots of prejudice prior to the judgment of whether  a game is good or not. These are some of them:

* You've got those who think that a 250 millon dollar movie, with lots of special effects is somehow better than a 1 millon one, with no effects.

* Somehow, a gory and bloody game is better than Little King Story or A boy and his Blob.

* What small kids or parents enjoy cannot be good enough for badass teenagers or "real men".

 

Labels are important. They contribute to create a particular idea of what things are supposed to be and most of people react to them. The casual labelled to Nintendo console was a smart move made by Nintendo to wider the gaming market. The HD consoles replied quite effectively: they turn its strength into a weakness to assure themselves a share of the market. Later, development teams kind of reacted to what the user base and the gaming community was somehow expecting. It doesn't matter the true hardcore gaming possibilities of a console. If the market studies tell them that "hardcore" gamers are convinced that the "hardcore" experience is going to be on the HD consoles, then damn the Nintendo Fan base. Stupid neglective market studies.

 

It's not just the expensive games that are on the HD consoles, a lot of the better indie developers are making games on the HD consoles too, and I'd equate Indie games with budget films.

 

Wii Ware's best game is still World of Goo, which was a PC game to begin with.



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demonfox13 said:
tehsage said:
Sorcery said:
tehsage said:
Sorcery said:
It's because very, very few talented development teams are working on the Wii compared to the PS3 and the 360. Most third parties have their best teams working on the PS3 or 360 (see: EA, Ubisoft, Capcom, etc).

The Wii is getting Monster Hunter Tri, though! :D

Does MH3, ports of great last-gen games, a lot of Resident Evil, and Zack & Wiki match up well against Dead Rising, Lost Planet, DMC4, RE5, SFIV, and Dark Void? :p

I think I enjoyed Zach and Wiki more than all the non Wii games mentioned together.

I guess Demon's Souls is no good.....oh wait, it's too hard for the casual market hehe nvm.

Meanwhile you see PC games that have to be dumbed down to shit for PS360, both gameplay-wise and technically, what does that say about them? :)



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"Just accept that fact that ALOT of the core gamers don't care much for the Wii"

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Sorcery said:
pariz said:
demonfox13 said:
tehsage said:
Sorcery said:
tehsage said:
Sorcery said:
It's because very, very few talented development teams are working on the Wii compared to the PS3 and the 360. Most third parties have their best teams working on the PS3 or 360 (see: EA, Ubisoft, Capcom, etc).

The Wii is getting Monster Hunter Tri, though! :D

Does MH3, ports of great last-gen games, a lot of Resident Evil, and Zack & Wiki match up well against Dead Rising, Lost Planet, DMC4, RE5, SFIV, and Dark Void? :p

I think I enjoyed Zach and Wiki more than all the non Wii games mentioned together.

I guess Demon's Souls is no good.....oh wait, it's too hard for the casual market hehe nvm.

That is exactly the kind of comment we are talking about (I bet you would do great with Fire Emblem, smart ass).

As in movies, by instance, there is lots of prejudice prior to the judgment of whether  a game is good or not. These are some of them:

* You've got those who think that a 250 millon dollar movie, with lots of special effects is somehow better than a 1 millon one, with no effects.

* Somehow, a gory and bloody game is better than Little King Story or A boy and his Blob.

* What small kids or parents enjoy cannot be good enough for badass teenagers or "real men".

 

Labels are important. They contribute to create a particular idea of what things are supposed to be and most of people react to them. The casual labelled to Nintendo console was a smart move made by Nintendo to wider the gaming market. The HD consoles replied quite effectively: they turn its strength into a weakness to assure themselves a share of the market. Later, development teams kind of reacted to what the user base and the gaming community was somehow expecting. It doesn't matter the true hardcore gaming possibilities of a console. If the market studies tell them that "hardcore" gamers are convinced that the "hardcore" experience is going to be on the HD consoles, then damn the Nintendo Fan base. Stupid neglective market studies.

 

It's not just the expensive games that are on the HD consoles, a lot of the better indie developers are making games on the HD consoles too, and I'd equate Indie games with budget films.

 

Wii Ware's best game is still World of Goo, which was a PC game to begin with.

Correction it was on both platforms (released the same day on both) and sold best on Wii Ware :P

As for the indie HD games... those are few and far between... Braid being one of the few that comes to mind, there are plenty of those inventive little games on Wii Ware.  Braid itself isn't that inventive, its like various gaming references meets, PoP sands, meets 2D platforming/puzzle solving all rolled up into one, its cool but not completely original.



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Since it launched it's essentially sailed to the top and stayed there. It's first party games sell better than any other console first party games (including 360) and even when down YOY in pure physical sales it's still ahead.

I guess with such heated content between the HD consoles (which are essentially selling neck and neck time adjusted) that just attracts lots of attention vs Wii.



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Reasonable said:
Since it launched it's essentially sailed to the top and stayed there. It's first party games sell better than any other console first party games (including 360) and even when down YOY in pure physical sales it's still ahead.

I guess with such heated content between the HD consoles (which are essentially selling neck and neck time adjusted) that just attracts lots of attention vs Wii.

How often does that actually happen in sports? Or many other events? It doesn't unless you loathe the winner.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

@ richardhutnik:

When you make threads like this - all the trolls come out from under their bridges. Be mindful next time!



I think people are missing the bigger picture here.

99% of the video game industry is comprised of uncreative twats that would rather fight for PS360 scraps making last gen games in HD than actually make a real and innovative attempt at making motion control games.

Yes, they would actually rather spend 2x as much making games for a smaller audience than grow some balls and put in a real effort on Wii. It's easier to make generic_shooter_045 with super realistic graphics than who_knows_what_genres_motion_control_allows with a graphic style that require some artistic vision.

It's not even a difficult position to defend since the Wii has exactly 0 AAA 3rd party games. They can't even say "at least we tried"

It's not a hard decision from a business perspective, play it safe and stick to what you know and pray to all holy hell you're not relegated to obscurity a few years down the line. I hear shmups are popular nowadays.