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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Where are the Hardcore Wii Nintendo Games?

llewdebkram on 22 October 2009

Haven't you heard of Ninja breadman?

Anyone who plays and completes this is surely a hardcore gamer!



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Hephaestos on 22 October 2009

it's an old one though (and also already posted on this site).



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mexitalrish on 22 October 2009

ah what an original thread. haven't seen one like this before.



scruffybunny on 22 October 2009

One core game I really want to play now is Killzone 2, that game has the best hardcore/moody sci-fi look without being remotely cartoony, before it I thought Gears of War was the best looking. The thing is, Wii can never have this type of graphics period, instead, realistic styled wii games usually have blocky pupety human heroes, which sorta makes things seem less serious. All core games look like this a few years ago right? but this gen the level has been raised and its just not the same. I do not want to play Killzone 2 if they port it to Wii, because it would suck.

Another game is Dirt 2, came out on all 3 consoles, looks kickass on HD consoles, but look at it on the Wii.

I think for developers, having tasted the palette available in HD systems, its hard for them to want to hold back and put effort into "a lesser" game for the Wii, because its so limiting, not that it can't be done, look at Monster Hunter Tri, which looks amazing, in an interview the developer said all systems has its limitations, on the Wii, if they could not put a cluster of 5 trees, they will just put less (interview here).

Besides this, I think most people are skeptical of 3rd party games on the wii, because there are so many shitty games for this platform and the bastards at Ninty keep selling expensive peripherals like the Wii balance board, which sucks everyones wallets dry :)




.jayderyu on 22 October 2009

Well the Wii is no more limiting that the PS2 was last gen. It didn't stop developers doing good work on the PS2. They didn't whine about power. They were very happy. What's happening is that developers are indeed fanboys as much as gamers. They are specifically taking this blocky puppet route because it's an excuse to be lazy. The people who are doing serious games are the creative groups from last generation who would have made "different" games, but still take chances on the sales. Like Okami. Sony and MS have done a great job selling to people that power is important this gen. While last gen Sony sold the motto it's all about games.

I assure it's nothing to do with more power Pallette since last gen XboX and GC stomped the PS2.



Squilliam: On Vgcharts its a commonly accepted practice to twist the bounds of plausibility in order to support your argument or agenda so I think its pretty cool that this gives me the precedent to say whatever I damn well please.

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dizzydee_011 on 22 October 2009
largedarryl said:
dizzydee_011 said:
Khuutra said:
dizzydee_011 said:
Rhonin the wizard said:
dizzydee_011 said:

Yeah there is a reason on why the Wii is in first place.  Wii launch price $250 PS3 launch price $500 - $600.

A low price didn't help the GameCube. Or the Xbox 360 Arcade when it was cheaper than a Wii.

You didn't mention anything about when the PS3 dropped to $300 and it was outselling the Wii.  That's when Nintendo had to drop the price of the Wii, so yes price is everything. 

This is one hundred percent absolutely freaking ridiculous. The price was not everything for the few weeks where the PS3 outsold the Wii - did you forget that it was a hardware revision that helped to spur those sales?

Your oversimplification is so extreme that it reeks of intentional intellectual dishonesty.

The Wii was averaging like 180,000 sales weekly before the $50 dollar price drop that helped push it to 300,000+ and on top over the PS3.  There was no hardware revision there just a price drop. 

Are seriously going to argue that price is the only factor between the Wii and PS3.  You mean the release of some big software releases in September and October had nothing to do with the PS3 sustaining good sales numbers.  So the other thing about price, is this the first generation of consoles where this price point has been the deciding factor?  Looking back at history, the cheapest console has not always been the most succesful.  So I would suggest thinking out the rational behind your statements before presenting faulty arguments.

But your not looking at the big picture.  The economy was excellent back then.  Take a look at it now.  People hardly have any money nowadays of course people are going for the cheaper products now.  Anyway this was a discussion between me and Khuutra and it was settled.  Then you barge in a day late and bring it up again. 



AnthonyW86 on 23 October 2009
hsrob said:
AnthonyW86 said:
woopah said:
@ anthony

nintendo sells the most third party software

You're kidding right? Yes Wii software sales are pretty good, but over half of all software sold on Wii is from Nintendo themselves. And again most 3rd party software that does sale are cheap party games, old remakes or down-tuned 360/ps3 versions. Not saying there isn't anything good on Wii, there's more than enough. But as explained before, there are obvious reasons why the number of hardcore games on Wii is lacking.

"He says that the conception that Wii third-party developers can't have success is wrong. He did say that Nintendo took things seriously by launching Mario, Zelda, and Virtual Console swiftly. But he says that, last year, more third-party games were sold with Wii than any other platform, and the second-biggest was DS." 

taken from here.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=22907

Talk quality and caveates all you like but your initial statement that "Wii has the lowest 3th party software sales", is wrong.

 

 

Sure he say's it sold more, but i don't see any real numbers. And VGChartz does show numbers, and those paint a bigger picture. More importantly though, it may be possible that the total number of 3th party software sold on Wii was slightly higher than that on PS3 and 360 but that's only logical since Wii has a much larger install base(so for it's actual install base, it really doesn't sell that well).