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gebx said:
Tony_Parker said:
@adobo : yeah, I guess all those MS fanboys won't show up here and admit they were wrong though

 

ahah, I've lost count on how many new members come here, say the same crap you just said and than dissappear after two months.. Even if Adobo is right (which i don't think he is), you'll probably be long gone

 

@Adobo

How many pricecuts does it take for PS3 domination to start? How many AAA exclusives does it take for the PS3 to outsell the 360?

I have several friends who are waiting for the $300 PS3 I'm sure there are millions of people out there who are the same ;)



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Tease.

Adobo said:
gebx said:
Tony_Parker said:
@adobo : yeah, I guess all those MS fanboys won't show up here and admit they were wrong though

 

ahah, I've lost count on how many new members come here, say the same crap you just said and than dissappear after two months.. Even if Adobo is right (which i don't think he is), you'll probably be long gone

 

@Adobo

How many pricecuts does it take for PS3 domination to start? How many AAA exclusives does it take for the PS3 to outsell the 360?

I have several friends who are waiting for the $300 PS3 I'm sure there are millions of people out there who are the same ;)

Why not giving it for free instead ?

Just like with games that are sold at 1/6 of the original price -> LBP for example...

That should help the figures go better...



 

Evan Wells (Uncharted 2): I think the differences that you see between any two games has much more to do with the developer than whether it’s on the Xbox or PS3.

Because they can't afford giving it cheap. PS3 is still very expansive to make.

Sony is a corp, their goal is not increasing marketshare then going bankrupt the same year. Their goal is profit.

360 is cheaper to produce, it's logical MS cut the price earlier. Plus they had no choice either, the installed base gap was quickly shrinking at that time.



yo_john117 said:
BMaker11 said:
yo_john117 said:
BMaker11 said:
yo_john117 said:
WheelStriker said:
Sales, that's all people talk about. People actually think that more sales means better quality. But the fact is that's not always the case and it's sad that many people don't understand this. Or more likely chooses to ignore it.

If sales mean better quality, then I guess it's safe to say that "big bumpin" (a mediocre game) is the xbox 360's best exclusive and is one of the games that defines the xbox brand as it has high sales.



WTF is "big bumpin"?

And yes sales are the most importent thing at the end of the day, and yes they declare how much quality a product has.  Sure there are always the exception but most of the time sales=quality because thats what most people want...

Carnival Games and Mario and Sonic

 

Here let me bold the part that you obviously did not read.

How many does it take for it to not be the rule, and always the exception? I can start listing games on both the low end and high ends of the charts. When I show you about 20-30, they're just exceptions?

If sales does equal quality, Halo is almost 10X better than KZ2, and Wii Sports is multiple times better than every sports game ever. Or is that just an exception too. After being on the market for 9 months, Valkyria Chronicles is only at 500k. Just an exception? Haze is sitting at almost 800k, despite being deemed a straight up turd. Another exception? Halo Wars has outsold every console RTS to date, although its' average review score isn't much higher, and even under some games. Another exception? There are way too many exceptions for "sales = quality" to be remotely close to a rule

I'm talking about if a game sells good it must be pretty good game.  A game doesn't have to sell 10 million to be good.  A game that sold one million is probably pretty good.  

Games sell well because they are quality to someone, they may not be quality games to you or me, but they are to someone. 

 

Then that would mean that quality is totally and completely subjective, but that's just not true. There's always a general concensus as to what is deemed "good"

Example: A lot of people may not be able to tell the difference Coke and Pepsi, so they may be considered equals. But you can definitely taste the difference between Coke and Village Pantry Brand Cola. People would say the latter drink sucks



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Tony_Parker said:
Because they can't afford giving it cheap. PS3 is still very expansive to make.

Sony is a corp, their goal is not increasing marketshare then going bankrupt the same year. Their goal is profit.

360 is cheaper to produce, it's logical MS cut the price earlier. Plus they had no choice either, the installed base gap was quickly shrinking at that time.

IMO, this had nothing to do with the results of Sony, it was rather to give a new momentum to the volume of sales (+ NXE).



 

Evan Wells (Uncharted 2): I think the differences that you see between any two games has much more to do with the developer than whether it’s on the Xbox or PS3.

Ronster316 said:
BladeOfGod said:
^^out of childhood by 2013/2014 possible.


Real funny. (Not)

It's an honest & genuine prediction.

Why get personal?

@ Tony parker

Sure, 360 sales still lag behind ps3 sales in japan, but 360 was selling 2k a week tops this time last year, now it's anywhere between 5-7k a week thus triple the sales in some weeks.

 

Hmmm, lets see:

Microsoft lost 4 billion on original Xbox and about 1 billion on 360, mostly because of RROD.  And we are yet to see if Natal is going to be profitable. And i dont think they will spend more and more money on 1 unprofitable division.

 

Sony made about 7 - 8 billion on PS1, PS2 and PSP (PSP Go will make even more money than PSP because its UMD-less) and lost about 3-4 billion on PS3. So their division still made them money and they are not going to go out of buisness because of 1 last gen.You should be more worried about Xbox going out of hardware buisness than SCE. In fact, i cant wait to play Halo 4 and Gears 3 on my PS4 :)



@ Bladeofgod


You said it yourself, look how many billions of dollars the ps3 has cost sony.

Sony may have made a profit in the past, but this is the present.

Ps2 is on its last legs so they can hardly rely on that for revenue.

So yes, i think i'll be playing sony's games (well, the only one i like is God of war) on my 360 or 720 in a few years time.



BMaker11 said:
yo_john117 said:
BMaker11 said:
yo_john117 said:
BMaker11 said:
yo_john117 said:
WheelStriker said:
Sales, that's all people talk about. People actually think that more sales means better quality. But the fact is that's not always the case and it's sad that many people don't understand this. Or more likely chooses to ignore it.

If sales mean better quality, then I guess it's safe to say that "big bumpin" (a mediocre game) is the xbox 360's best exclusive and is one of the games that defines the xbox brand as it has high sales.



WTF is "big bumpin"?

And yes sales are the most importent thing at the end of the day, and yes they declare how much quality a product has.  Sure there are always the exception but most of the time sales=quality because thats what most people want...

Carnival Games and Mario and Sonic

 

Here let me bold the part that you obviously did not read.

How many does it take for it to not be the rule, and always the exception? I can start listing games on both the low end and high ends of the charts. When I show you about 20-30, they're just exceptions?

If sales does equal quality, Halo is almost 10X better than KZ2, and Wii Sports is multiple times better than every sports game ever. Or is that just an exception too. After being on the market for 9 months, Valkyria Chronicles is only at 500k. Just an exception? Haze is sitting at almost 800k, despite being deemed a straight up turd. Another exception? Halo Wars has outsold every console RTS to date, although its' average review score isn't much higher, and even under some games. Another exception? There are way too many exceptions for "sales = quality" to be remotely close to a rule

I'm talking about if a game sells good it must be pretty good game.  A game doesn't have to sell 10 million to be good.  A game that sold one million is probably pretty good.  

Games sell well because they are quality to someone, they may not be quality games to you or me, but they are to someone. 

 

Then that would mean that quality is totally and completely subjective, but that's just not true. There's always a general concensus as to what is deemed "good"

Example: A lot of people may not be able to tell the difference Coke and Pepsi, so they may be considered equals. But you can definitely taste the difference between Coke and Village Pantry Brand Cola. People would say the latter drink sucks

Thats like saying your opinion is > then everyone elses.  Its not true, who are we to say that we are right and the people ( most likely casuals in this case) who bought the game are wrong.  If a game sells over 1 million with ease it must be pretty good for it to have sold that much.

My mom and sisters (who never really game) love Wii Sports, and think its a quality game.  Am i supossed to tell them they are wrong because the general concensus says so?  What about the millions of others that play Wii Sports and love it, are they all wrong just because some hardcore nerds don't like the game?  

So yes in most cases sales=quality.  Of course there are always exeptions (a bad game is bundled with a system) and variables (A crappy FPS will sell more than a good JRPG simply because FPS are vastly more popular.  Or a really good game with little advertising gets overshadowed by another really good game that has tons of advertising that comes out around the same time period)



when did Forza 3 becoming a definitive title? I could have sworn there was quite a few racing games better. GT5, Burnout, GTi, and several others.



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