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The OFFICIAL Feb 2007 NPD Thread

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I don't know if I threw my 2 cents in yet. But everyone knows I'm a big Sony fan. Hey I was a Nintendo fan before that, but the PS1 and PS2 were flat out the best machines and best supported hardware. I'm not above getting a Wii, but I've come to despise Microsoft for many reasons and sold my 360. Halo was the only reason I got an Xbox originally and since Halo 2 was ruined they haven't shown me anything special. I feel the competition is great for gamers, but Microsoft IMO is a worse corporation than Sony. Whn it comes to support for their products the only one they make any effort on is Windows cause it's the bread and butter. If you want to get down to it, Nintendo is the "most ethical" and really the best company among the three. That said, I enjoy games like Gears of War for instance, so the Wii doesn't really appeal to me given the constraints. But like I said, I'm not above dropping 250, I have a gamers pass and will just play games at my liesure. I've really been thinking about spending my tax return on a PS3. Amazon.com is having a huge sale right now on Blu-rays. About 48 of them that basically cost less than DVDs. I really feel the PS3 has a lot to offer, XMB, Browsing, Blu-ray player, etc. I don't really need the Wifi, or extra hard drive space, or the flash memory card readers. Is it worth it? I really like HDTV, and HD movies, a 360 I would have to spend 600 to get what I want, PS3 500...When I sold my 360 I basically got all the money I spent on it back. I've just liked the Sony fanchises over these years and I think that's my direction, MGS4, DMC4, FFXIII, God of War. ______________________ On topic. As far as the sales go, yeah that's not good. Hopefully march will be better with the new v1.6 firmware offering a better online experience, Motorstorm, F1, and all the other games coming in March. And the European launch will be pretty big and offer a larger set of online players and community. I think all this talk about it dying is ridiculous though. Why would any fan even want that? A competition of 3 has usually been how it is and it's good for gamers and keeps pricing down. 6 DC Feb 00 92,000 1,861,000 7 DC Mar 00 68,500 1,929,500 8 DC Apr 00 49,500 1,979,000 9 DC May 00 38,500 2,017,500 10 DC Jun 00 53,000 2,070,500 11 DC Jul 00 40,000 2,110,500 12 DC Aug 00 58,000 I was looking at the numbers for dreamcast and I didn't realize how bad it was doing. PS2 didn't even kill it, it was done before PS2 even came out. Look at those figures. That us February 2000, way before PS2 was even out. 92k, 68k, 49k, 38k, 53k, 40k, 58k. That is telling of a dead system, DC didn't even have any generational competition when it came out. Only sold about 2.3 million in the US over the course of 1 year. PS3 has already gotten to 1.2 million, and I really, really doubt their sales ever get as weak as DC was. Anyway, I still want a PS3.



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auroragb said: If HD-DVD integrated Zephyr were to hit the market soon (May), it will be the first nail in the PS3 coffin. PS3's advantage of being an all in one unit will be wiped out. Tho, realistically, I'm expecting the integration to happen around Sept/Oct in order to drive X-mas sales. .
Zephyr wont have HD-DVD integrated .By the way ,even if it only adds a bigger hard drive and HDMI port it will be more expensive and lose some of its precious price advantage .



Diomedes1976 said: auroragb said: If HD-DVD integrated Zephyr were to hit the market soon (May), it will be the first nail in the PS3 coffin. PS3's advantage of being an all in one unit will be wiped out. Tho, realistically, I'm expecting the integration to happen around Sept/Oct in order to drive X-mas sales. . Zephyr wont have HD-DVD integrated .By the way ,even if it only adds a bigger hard drive and HDMI port it will be more expensive and lose some of its precious price advantage .
I think Microsoft will stop producing the Core, get the premium down to Core's Price tag and get the Zephyr to premium's price.




gamingdevil said: Diomedes1976 said: auroragb said: If HD-DVD integrated Zephyr were to hit the market soon (May), it will be the first nail in the PS3 coffin. PS3's advantage of being an all in one unit will be wiped out. Tho, realistically, I'm expecting the integration to happen around Sept/Oct in order to drive X-mas sales. . Zephyr wont have HD-DVD integrated .By the way ,even if it only adds a bigger hard drive and HDMI port it will be more expensive and lose some of its precious price advantage . I think Microsoft will stop producing the Core, get the premium down to Core's Price tag and get the Zephyr to premium's price.
Probably ,so they will lose the opportunity to reduce price .By then the PS3 will have a price cut to 350-450 and the price differences will become very small .....and the PS3 will still have the BR advantage over the HDDVD-less Zephyr .



Diomedes1976 said: gamingdevil said: Diomedes1976 said: auroragb said: If HD-DVD integrated Zephyr were to hit the market soon (May), it will be the first nail in the PS3 coffin. PS3's advantage of being an all in one unit will be wiped out. Tho, realistically, I'm expecting the integration to happen around Sept/Oct in order to drive X-mas sales. . Zephyr wont have HD-DVD integrated .By the way ,even if it only adds a bigger hard drive and HDMI port it will be more expensive and lose some of its precious price advantage . I think Microsoft will stop producing the Core, get the premium down to Core's Price tag and get the Zephyr to premium's price. Probably ,so they will lose the opportunity to reduce price .By then the PS3 will have a price cut to 350-450 and the price differences will become very small .....and the PS3 will still have the BR advantage over the HDDVD-less Zephyr .
i don't think the PS3 will get the 350-450 price tag before mid-2009




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Diomedes1976 said: gamingdevil said: Diomedes1976 said: auroragb said: If HD-DVD integrated Zephyr were to hit the market soon (May), it will be the first nail in the PS3 coffin. PS3's advantage of being an all in one unit will be wiped out. Tho, realistically, I'm expecting the integration to happen around Sept/Oct in order to drive X-mas sales. . Zephyr wont have HD-DVD integrated .By the way ,even if it only adds a bigger hard drive and HDMI port it will be more expensive and lose some of its precious price advantage . I think Microsoft will stop producing the Core, get the premium down to Core's Price tag and get the Zephyr to premium's price. Probably ,so they will lose the opportunity to reduce price .By then the PS3 will have a price cut to 350-450 and the price differences will become very small .....and the PS3 will still have the BR advantage over the HDDVD-less Zephyr .
Sony can't cut the price of the PS3 during 2007. Forget about that, if they do it then it's cause they're really desperate. And as much as I'd love the Zephyr to Premium, Premium to Core price tag I don't see MS doing that. Pretty much it's possible for them to have 3 SKUs: Core 300, Premium 400, Zephyr 479.99



Tom_B said: And as much as I'd love the Zephyr to Premium, Premium to Core price tag I don't see MS doing that. Pretty much it's possible for them to have 3 SKUs: Core 300, Premium 400, Zephyr 479.99
If you think that's going to happen, you believe Microsoft is incredibly stupid, which I don't. Here are the facts that we (and Microsoft) know: 1. Console buyers are incredibly price-sensitive. 2. Electronics costs go down over time. 3. Hard drive costs don't go down over time, but capacities go up. Based on those facts, you'd expect several things to happen: 1. The 360, in all its incarnations to get cheaper, as fast as economically feasible for Microsoft. 2. Models with hard drives to get bigger hard drives over time, as the price difference between a 20GB and 60GB (or whatever) drive evaporates. 3. A model without a hard drive to continue to exist, so that Microsoft can hit the lucrative $99/$129 sorts of price points eventually. (Microsoft's already taken the pain hit for having a non-mandatory hard drive so that they can get this payoff years from now; to suggest that they'd discontinue the Core after taking the hit but without getting the payoff is crazy.) So I'd fully expect to see "Zephyr", by which I mean a 360 with a bigger hard drive and maybe HDMI, for $299 or $349, with a Core for $199/$249 in the short term.



Both PS1 and PS2 reduced price between 6 months and one year after release .Sony has already cut some costs removing the EE and with the 65Nm Cell ,plus the better fabrication costs due to more success in the replication of consoles and components .I dont see impossible a price cut for september or october .If they see things in a bad light they will do it ,its always preferable to take a hit in each console that finally not selling them and taking all the cost as a hit ...plus each console sold start to attract royalties per game sold and per BR film sold ...



Diomedes1976 said: Both PS1 and PS2 reduced price between 6 months and one year after release .Sony has already cut some costs removing the EE and with the 65Nm Cell ,plus the better fabrication costs due to more success in the replication of consoles and components .I dont see impossible a price cut for september or october .If they see things in a bad light they will do it ,its always preferable to take a hit in each console that finally not selling them and taking all the cost as a hit ...plus each console sold start to attract royalties per game sold and per BR film sold ...
Actually the first price drop for the PS2 (in North America) was announced at E3 2002, approximately 18 months after the PS2 launched.



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