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disolitude on 14 May 2009
Mr Khan said:

He is right, in both of his articles, though he points it out in a way such as is a bit more caustic than is prudent (pot-shots at Sony and Microsoft, etc.)

Nintendo has always been doomed, though for different (and sometimes legitimate) reasons

-The NES was doomed because gaming's future was with the computer
-The Super NES was doomed because they didn't embrace the aging audience like the Genesis did.
-The N64 was doomed because of cartridges (true enough), and also because they didn't embrace the aging audience
-The GameCube was doomed because it had no 3rd party support (kinda), kiddy games, no DVD, and no online
-The Wii is doomed because its an underpowered fad focusing on a fickle audience

The two articles sort of tie together (and tie with a recurring theme of his) that the game industry is removing itself from popular opinion. The industry itself knows what is best for it, and not the consumers. Thus a strong feeling of consensus emerges within the industry, norms that everyone know of come to govern thinking. Nintendo goes against these ideas, and become a pariah. The industry becomes more elitist and arrogant as time passes.

Gamecube was doomed. 5 bucks says that thing lost money. The GBA was selling 10s of millions of consoles per year and tonnes of software and nintendo was having 200 million profits per year.

Nintendo obviously didn't go under becuase of it, but calling something "doomed" is saying its going to fail. And nintendo did have failures in the past.

 



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Avinash_Tyagi on 14 May 2009
griffinA said:

Wow, I mean, I know this happens whenever Malstrom gets posted but it's particularly hard to swallow now.

Instead of actually thinking about and having a big discussion about the actual important points Malstrom makes, people just zero in on one insignificant point he made somewhere in the piece and argue against it. I won't lie, on entering this thread I did expect pettty bickering, but I expected bickering related to the important arguments Malstrom made.

Can we move on from talking about whether Nintendo's studios are better than Sony's and talk about whether overall Malstrom is right or not? Or perhaps someone could write a rebuttel to the piece itself?

 

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Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

theRepublic on 14 May 2009
disolitude said:
Mr Khan said:

He is right, in both of his articles, though he points it out in a way such as is a bit more caustic than is prudent (pot-shots at Sony and Microsoft, etc.)

Nintendo has always been doomed, though for different (and sometimes legitimate) reasons

-The NES was doomed because gaming's future was with the computer
-The Super NES was doomed because they didn't embrace the aging audience like the Genesis did.
-The N64 was doomed because of cartridges (true enough), and also because they didn't embrace the aging audience
-The GameCube was doomed because it had no 3rd party support (kinda), kiddy games, no DVD, and no online
-The Wii is doomed because its an underpowered fad focusing on a fickle audience

The two articles sort of tie together (and tie with a recurring theme of his) that the game industry is removing itself from popular opinion. The industry itself knows what is best for it, and not the consumers. Thus a strong feeling of consensus emerges within the industry, norms that everyone know of come to govern thinking. Nintendo goes against these ideas, and become a pariah. The industry becomes more elitist and arrogant as time passes.

Gamecube was doomed. 5 bucks says that thing lost money. The GBA was selling 10s of millions of consoles per year and tonnes of software and nintendo was having 200 million profits per year.

Nintendo obviously didn't go under becuase of it, but calling something "doomed" is saying its going to fail. And nintendo did have failures in the past.

 

How could hardware that was sold at a profit lose money?



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Arius Dion on 14 May 2009

Malstrom is awesome.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 14 May 2009
disolitude said:
Mr Khan said:

He is right, in both of his articles, though he points it out in a way such as is a bit more caustic than is prudent (pot-shots at Sony and Microsoft, etc.)

Nintendo has always been doomed, though for different (and sometimes legitimate) reasons

-The NES was doomed because gaming's future was with the computer
-The Super NES was doomed because they didn't embrace the aging audience like the Genesis did.
-The N64 was doomed because of cartridges (true enough), and also because they didn't embrace the aging audience
-The GameCube was doomed because it had no 3rd party support (kinda), kiddy games, no DVD, and no online
-The Wii is doomed because its an underpowered fad focusing on a fickle audience

The two articles sort of tie together (and tie with a recurring theme of his) that the game industry is removing itself from popular opinion. The industry itself knows what is best for it, and not the consumers. Thus a strong feeling of consensus emerges within the industry, norms that everyone know of come to govern thinking. Nintendo goes against these ideas, and become a pariah. The industry becomes more elitist and arrogant as time passes.

Gamecube was doomed. 5 bucks says that thing lost money. The GBA was selling 10s of millions of consoles per year and tonnes of software and nintendo was having 200 million profits per year.

Nintendo obviously didn't go under becuase of it, but calling something "doomed" is saying its going to fail. And nintendo did have failures in the past.

 

 

 You argue that Nintendo has had failures in the past, and yet throughout all that time in the video game industry, they have reamined profitable, with the exception of one quarter and been dominant in three generations of home console and every generation of handheld consoles, so tell me how that translates into a company being doomed or in any way in decline?

 

You're ignoring the pertinent points of this issue, in spite of what you may think, nintendo software sells more, its hardwares is selling more and its profits are higher than its competitors (in terms of gaming), so the fact is clear nintendo is in no way doomed, so there must be some disconnect in the media and industry that leads them to argue that it is.



 

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irstupid on 14 May 2009
disolitude said:
Bobbuffalo said:
theRepublic said:
disolitude said:
Bobbuffalo said:
@disolitude - "Wii is a gamecube 1.5 with waggle control scheme..." jesuschrist did you use THE MOST PATHETIC EXCUSE the wii haters use?

Note to self: ignore this troll

Prove me wrong... visuals are pretty similar, online is tacked on in most basic mode if available, sounds is...well still "Whoopie", experience is not the same...but its cause of motion controls/balance board. Take that away and what are you left with...GC ports of resident evil? And nitnendo games that probably could have come out for the gamecube (and some like Zelda did).

Im not here to start a war that Wii = GC X 1.5...im just syaing that nintendo really hasn't done anything different games wise this gen. They have with accessories, so the article saying that first party games sell wii is wrong...

 

theRepublic said:
@disolitude

Hardware is nothing without software. It's games like Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and Mario Kart that are driving the success of the Wii.

 

HAHAHA! Right on! :D

 

I am laughing too because Wii hasn't had a AAA software release for almost a year and it still sells like hotcakes. Software must not matter that much...

 

 

 Or this just shows how broken the review system is.

 

The video game review system is like if you only had 25 year old movie reviewers that loved action movies only.

 

So then what do the romance movies, chick flicks, comedies, children movies ect get when reviewed.  They get shitty reviews.  That is how the video game reviewing is these days.  It is all people who only like gears, halo, uncharted, killzone, gta, gran tourismo, ect. games.   So why should I or the consumer give a fuck what they review sims party, animal crossing, petz or whatever else you want to throw in.  

so sorry if i find any argument referring to AAA, AA, A, metacritic or whatever else you want to throw out as bullshit.  I'm not gonna ask a packer fan what he thinks of the Vikings, so why would I care what these reviewers think, their just biased and half or more probably swayed by advertising costs too. 



SleepWaking on 14 May 2009
disolitude said:
Bobbuffalo said:
theRepublic said:
disolitude said:
Bobbuffalo said:
@disolitude - "Wii is a gamecube 1.5 with waggle control scheme..." jesuschrist did you use THE MOST PATHETIC EXCUSE the wii haters use?

Note to self: ignore this troll

Prove me wrong... visuals are pretty similar, online is tacked on in most basic mode if available, sounds is...well still "Whoopie", experience is not the same...but its cause of motion controls/balance board. Take that away and what are you left with...GC ports of resident evil? And nitnendo games that probably could have come out for the gamecube (and some like Zelda did).

Im not here to start a war that Wii = GC X 1.5...im just syaing that nintendo really hasn't done anything different games wise this gen. They have with accessories, so the article saying that first party games sell wii is wrong...

theRepublic said:
@disolitude

Hardware is nothing without software. It's games like Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and Mario Kart that are driving the success of the Wii.

HAHAHA! Right on! :D

 

I am laughing too because Wii hasn't had a AAA software release for almost a year and it still sells like hotcakes. Software must not matter that much...

 

Wrong some software was so good that it still keeps the Wii selling. If you really belive the wii sold only because of "waggle control" you must also believe that if Microsoft or Sony would announce motion control this E3 they will be selling as crack too.

 



SUPABRETT on 14 May 2009
disolitude said:
HappySqurriel said:

A lot of people really dislike the success Nintendo has seen with the Nintendo DS and Wii because it goes against their belief system, and rather than questioning whether their beliefs were valid they cling to them and assume that the end is just around the corner for Nintendo ... While most of these people want superior graphics and more complexity to push games towards being an "Art" and think this will drive more people to adopt games, Nintendo has been successful with a system that produces modest and more approachable graphics, a simpler and more intuitive experience, and focuses on games being "Play" for people of all ages.

This is very nicely written Happy...but please consider nintendo today without waggle. All this success wouldn't be here. Graphics, games has nothign to do with nintendo sales.

Many people have said this and nintendo fans may take offense but Wii is a gamecube 1.5 with waggle control scheme...

Why would thier games sell consoles now when the playing field is even higher, when they didn't 5 years ago...especially considering that very minor updates are given these new games other than the new control scheme.

This article is saying that nintendo success is atributed to their games which is as crazy as saying that Sony PS3 success is atributed to bluray... nooo, its why it isn't number 1 right now.

You're right you moran the people are buying the Wii for the GAMES that use this new control scheme. Stop smoking crack dude.

 

& yes HD lames we know Wii is a suped up GC no need to point it out so much.

X360/PS3 are gimped PC's but you don't hear anybody bitching about it.

 



disolitude on 14 May 2009
theRepublic said:
disolitude said:
Mr Khan said:

He is right, in both of his articles, though he points it out in a way such as is a bit more caustic than is prudent (pot-shots at Sony and Microsoft, etc.)

Nintendo has always been doomed, though for different (and sometimes legitimate) reasons

-The NES was doomed because gaming's future was with the computer
-The Super NES was doomed because they didn't embrace the aging audience like the Genesis did.
-The N64 was doomed because of cartridges (true enough), and also because they didn't embrace the aging audience
-The GameCube was doomed because it had no 3rd party support (kinda), kiddy games, no DVD, and no online
-The Wii is doomed because its an underpowered fad focusing on a fickle audience

The two articles sort of tie together (and tie with a recurring theme of his) that the game industry is removing itself from popular opinion. The industry itself knows what is best for it, and not the consumers. Thus a strong feeling of consensus emerges within the industry, norms that everyone know of come to govern thinking. Nintendo goes against these ideas, and become a pariah. The industry becomes more elitist and arrogant as time passes.

Gamecube was doomed. 5 bucks says that thing lost money. The GBA was selling 10s of millions of consoles per year and tonnes of software and nintendo was having 200 million profits per year.

Nintendo obviously didn't go under becuase of it, but calling something "doomed" is saying its going to fail. And nintendo did have failures in the past.

 

How could hardware that was sold at a profit lose money?

Do we know for sure it was sold for profit? ninty cut it down to 99 bucks at one point...

 



LordTheNightKnight on 14 May 2009
disolitude said:
theRepublic said:
disolitude said:
Mr Khan said:

He is right, in both of his articles, though he points it out in a way such as is a bit more caustic than is prudent (pot-shots at Sony and Microsoft, etc.)

Nintendo has always been doomed, though for different (and sometimes legitimate) reasons

-The NES was doomed because gaming's future was with the computer
-The Super NES was doomed because they didn't embrace the aging audience like the Genesis did.
-The N64 was doomed because of cartridges (true enough), and also because they didn't embrace the aging audience
-The GameCube was doomed because it had no 3rd party support (kinda), kiddy games, no DVD, and no online
-The Wii is doomed because its an underpowered fad focusing on a fickle audience

The two articles sort of tie together (and tie with a recurring theme of his) that the game industry is removing itself from popular opinion. The industry itself knows what is best for it, and not the consumers. Thus a strong feeling of consensus emerges within the industry, norms that everyone know of come to govern thinking. Nintendo goes against these ideas, and become a pariah. The industry becomes more elitist and arrogant as time passes.

Gamecube was doomed. 5 bucks says that thing lost money. The GBA was selling 10s of millions of consoles per year and tonnes of software and nintendo was having 200 million profits per year.

Nintendo obviously didn't go under becuase of it, but calling something "doomed" is saying its going to fail. And nintendo did have failures in the past.

 

How could hardware that was sold at a profit lose money?

Do we know for sure it was sold for profit? ninty cut it down to 99 bucks at one point...

 

 

What makes you think it didn't cost less than that by then? And Nintendo said it was sold at a profit.



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