Do you really want to talk about overrated games??......

I mean to say that the dungeon design actually uses somehting akin to 3-D space and there are may, many diffrent ways to get through any given area, especially in the Palace of the Ocean King, particularly depending on your equipment.

Another thing is that though, yes, you do use an item in the dungeon in which you get it, you also use it in every dungeon thereafter. The puzzle design incorporates every single item in your inventory, even the shovel, which is great.

i think the things that make the zelda series NOT overrated are the following: it was the original genre defining game for action/adventure games in BOTH 2D and 3D. the zelda series is the scale against which all other games in the genre are compared with. it has revolutionized games in general more than once. most of the games in the series push the boundaries of what has been done in a game before. there aren't any games in the series that aren't great and every game is very fun. every game feels like an epic adventure.

legend of zelda, a link to the past, OoT, MM, WW, TP are all some of the best games i've ever played.

i think the only other series in gaming that can be praised this highly is mario.


all that said i think zelda is starting to lose some of its untouchable status recently because the series needs to be freshened up, i believe miyamato will bring it in the next zelda.

OK.  you make a good point.  I don't recall the arguments but, I wasn't really forum posting at the time, so I wasn't reading any game arguments at the time /lol

I dunno.  I guees to me it was all about feel.  or something.  To me TP was a much more rejuvinating feeling.  I gues I didn't see it as the same or "sequel" to OOT because it wasn't "time travel base", the tune playing was a different style, and all the map layouts were different.  It kept the familiar places in tact but they were different, Like you were playing them in like a totally different century (may have been the point), but I guess then again thats the case with every Zelda game, though some places aren't used in most games it always has Death Mountain, Hyrule Castle, Kakariko Villiage (unnamed in the first one I believe, I can't remember but was i t the town before the big boulder in II?) and .. some other location I think.  but any way yeah I guess I just figured it was more of a Zelda franchise thing rather than an OOT thing, but I guess it does find itself most alligned with it.  I'm still pissed that it didn't have the traditional theme for Kakriko villiage by the way!  . Oh yeah the graveyard is in every game too.  Uhh yeah so I dunno.  To me TP  flowed much smoother and the intertwined trials (like the bridge fights and the killing orcs in the field or whatever) were different trials and were much more entertaing to me, thatn the harvest moon type chores, as I personally see them, in OOT.  but then again people can completely disagree with me on that, and that's cool too.

I guess my main points is when I expierienced OOT it was one feeling, and when I experienced TP it was a whole 'nother experience, so I don't, in my mind, think of them as nearly bieng the same game.  Although with all the things you have listed, and myself as well  + the whole horse thing, I guess I have come to see your point.

Well done, :^)  I enjoyed the convo.

Thread is a complete and utter lie because A Link to the Past exists.

you seem to think zelda is only OOT WW and TW.... try the 2D ones as well, I like them the best (yeah even the DS one).

Don't use yourself to judge other TC.
People got different taste ,so it understandable that if don't like Zelda.
But don't think that everyone will thought like you too.

Stupid thread is stupid.

Zelda is the reason i play games don't mock with Zelda :p

Sometimes i feel ashamed to be a ps3 owner =(