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Forums - Microsoft Discussion - 360 sales are inflated due to redundant purchases from impatient gamers.

sinha on 21 December 2008
Billy Gun said:
So the attach rate of the xbox 360 is not 8.1 is 16.2? or higher? or people that buys 2 or more 360's buy two or more of the same game?

 

I actually buy five of each game, JUST to piss off the Sony Defense Force.

 



We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that they [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine and half years? It's a learning process. - SCEI president Kaz Hirai

It's a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and they're like, "Oh my God that's so cool, I'm gonna go buy it." So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but they've showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on. Everyone I know bought one and nobody turns it on. - Epic Games president Mike Capps

We have a real culture of thrift. The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games. - Activision CEO Bobby Kotick

 

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dougsdad0629 on 21 December 2008
sinha said:
dougsdad0629 said:

In other words, despite how many systems your site has tracked being sold, how many have been to UNIQUE users?

 

So... I own and use two 360s... therefore the second one DOESN'T COUNT, because it was not sold to a UNIQUE user? 

 

Okay vgchartz data collectors, please -1 360 sale.

 

 

 

 

The problem is that redundant users still only buy 1 person's worth of software.  This might partially explain why we keep reading articles about how this or that developer has made more money off of their PS3 version of a game vs. their 360.  Then again, those articles might have nothing to do with redundancy at all.  Your situation is different.  You use both your 360s.  I'm talking about people who buy 1, it breaks and then instead of getting it fixed for FREE, they instead buy another 1 for $200 or more.



Keep this in mind when reading what I type...

I've been gaming longer than many of you have been alive.

rendo on 21 December 2008

The PS2 was as bad, if not worse than the 360. With the price point being lower than the 360, how many people did the same thing with the PS2?



darendt on 21 December 2008

They probablty are buying 2 or more of some games due to the 360 destroying the games as well.



scottie on 21 December 2008

One would assume that even if you buy a new 360, you would still send your old one in for repairs and then sell it/give it to a friend

Anyway, if this was true on a large scale, it would seriously lower the 360's attach ratio :P



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darendt on 21 December 2008
rendo said:
The PS2 was as bad, if not worse than the 360. With the price point being lower than the 360, how many people did the same thing with the PS2?

 

What? I still have my original PS2.....large one. It works great. I did however buy 4 Slim ones for my car though. All work great and have never had any issues. I also have my original Playstation 1 that still works and has never had any issues. The only thing I have ever had an issue with was my PSP. It had a couple dead pixels when I bought it. hat was easily fixd though.



segajon on 21 December 2008
NiKKoM said:
So? I have bought 2 ps1... and a PSone... A PS2.. and a PS2slim.. a DS and a DSlite... What's your point?

same here. I have bought multiples of consoles for a variety of reasons. I don't understand the threads point

DTG on 21 December 2008

First, the 360 is lucky to sell 35-37 million LTD. 55 million is laughable.

Second, the ps3 is not expensive. If you have a good job a ps3 is next to nothing and the only people complaining are teenagers, unemployed, or the uneducated stuck with crap jobs.



DTG on 21 December 2008
dougsdad0629 said:
sinha said:
dougsdad0629 said:

In other words, despite how many systems your site has tracked being sold, how many have been to UNIQUE users?

 

So... I own and use two 360s... therefore the second one DOESN'T COUNT, because it was not sold to a UNIQUE user? 

 

Okay vgchartz data collectors, please -1 360 sale.

 

 

 

 

The problem is that redundant users still only buy 1 person's worth of software.  This might partially explain why we keep reading articles about how this or that developer has made more money off of their PS3 version of a game vs. their 360.  Then again, those articles might have nothing to do with redundancy at all.  Your situation is different.  You use both your 360s.  I'm talking about people who buy 1, it breaks and then instead of getting it fixed for FREE, they instead buy another 1 for $200 or more.

 

omg, stop making it seem like getting the console fixed for free is such a great deal. It takes WEEKS of downtime for you to recieve the system back and begin playing your games again. Maybe for a casual gamer that is no big deal, but many hardcore gamers wouldn't be able to survive for several weeks without their system of choice. 200 for instant gratification is not too much to pay for.



S.T.A.G.E. on 21 December 2008
dougsdad0629 said:

In a recent thread (http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=53884&page=1), I mentioned how I overheard a teenager say how he was going to buy a new 360 to replace his RROD rather than sending it in.  I assumed this kid was just an idiot and asked people to reassure me he was, but I was completely FLOORED by how many people replied to this thread that buying a new console was no big deal and they had either done it themselves, would do it themselves or know someone who has done just such a thing.  This thread is a request to VGChartz staff and data gathering people.  If possible, can we do some sort of poll/study about how many 360 consoles are redundant sales to someone replacing a defective system?  In other words, despite how many systems your site has tracked being sold, how many have been to UNIQUE users?  If this phenomenon doesn't exist and is just BS from people yanking my chain, I'd be interested to know that as well.  If it is true, even to a small extent, I don't want to hear any 360 owners complain about the price of a PS3 if they are willing to shell out twice (or more) for the 360.

 

 With the new Jasper editions of the 360 it doesn't seem to matter anymore. It's more reliable. If older models RROD, then they can take the hard drive and buy a $200 Arcade. Of course I have 3 year in store warranty, so I don't bother going through shit with Microsoft. If my 360 RROD's on me I can replace it the same day.