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Forums - Sales Discussion - Wii: Past 80 million by end of 2009

no illusions, the reality is there are many more middle class people who can afford it, in more countries, now. There are many more specific demographics who want it.
There is clearly demand that remains as high as when it launched or even higher while some other regions have only just got the Wii released.
Its the cheapest and so even in this recession it will keep moving numbers.



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The difference between wii and the ps360 is the audience. PS360=gamers (gaming=important), wii=many casuals (gaming=funny but not essential).



When all's said and done looks like Wii will end the year on ~45million, meaning close to 26 million for the year. Now theoretically this could be Wii's peak year but given that it has been supply constrained all along this seems unlikely. I would say 30 million next year wouldn't be out of the question putting the total at 75+million.



It will be obsolete long before it gets anywhere near 200 million. If it hits 100 million before the Wii HD (or whatever its called) is released I'd be very surprised.




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Stats87 said:

I'm still dealing with his prediction that Wii Fit will outsell the entire GTA Franchise combined,which according to VGC numbers is around 77 Million.


EDIT: That, and his prediction that the Wii will outsell the PS1/PS2/PSP/PS3 combined, which is currently around 290 Million.

 

 Well you're wrong on the second one, as I said consoles, not handhelds, learn to read.  So probably around 250-270 by then



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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Impulsivity said:
Price does not change things a huge amount unless that price is very high (IE the PS3). Look at the 360 sales, they are VIRTUALLY FLAT between Sept-Nov 07 and Sept-Nov 08. In fact the 360 sold 100k more between Sept 07 and Nov 07 then between Sept 08 and Nov 08. Dropping the price may have helped sustain the sales it had last year longer, but it by no means increased them. The PS2 and Wii did not take off only because of low price, they also were the dominant system in the public perception for their time.

That the 360 undercut the Wii by going to 199 vs 250 and barely hit last years numbers while the Wii more then doubled during the same time frame underscores that point. Remember when the gamecube went to 99 bucks to try and stay in the game and just fell further behind? Same thing here with the 360. You can't manufacture buzz with a low price alone.

As to the Wii the main limit seems to be production capacity. This is a HARD cap though. Nintendo would be stupid to make 40 million since it would only be sustainable for one year. What are they going to do, invest a bunch in new factory capacity so it can run for one year before dropping back to 20 million or so in production? The Wii may hit 80 or 90 million but it won't be until the end of 2010. You are assuming that the biggest month ever for the Wii (2 million) will be not only repeated but IMPROVED upon all next year which is just silly. Do you really think they're going to be making and selling over 3 million consoles in March 09? Alternately do you really think they're going to be selling 10 million in nov and dec 09 to make up for 1 million console march?

Even the PS2, which at this point in its life cycle was doing as well or better then the Wii, was NEVER gaining 40 million in sales a year, that is just silly.

 

 Two things first it doesn't have to do 40 million next year to reach 80, as it'll be around 45 million at end of this year, second you assume tha it would drop down a year later, when what we've seen is that Wii has yet to drop and any drop in demand can be solved by a drop in price, as there is such a thing as willingness to pay for any product, by lowering the price they will reach those with a lower willingness to pay, and those who are looking for greater consumer surplus from their purchase.  As a result Nintendo reaching 80 million plus next year will not be as unlikely as you think

 

It will be obsolete long before it gets anywhere near 200 million. If it hits 100 million before the Wii HD (or whatever its called) is released I'd be very surprised.

 

Nintendo has no reason to release a new system in the next few years, as they are in the dominant position, and they make profit on the Wii, in fact they are more likely to let sony and MS announce one or two years before they announce the next console.

 

You're right kitchen sink. I forgot about those first few REALLY awkward months for the PS2 when there was no supply and they launched at a BAD time (was march or something if I remember). To make my point right I'd have to give the PS2 a mulligan on the first half year to year.

If you adjust the chart to start the PS2 off in November of its launch year it looks a lot more sensical.

 

Even region by region Wii is leading everywhere except Japan over the PS2, and Wii has had supply issues far longer than the PS2 had, and PS2 had price drops by this point in its lifespan.  Wii's sales potential is far above what the PS2's was



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Impulsivity said:
It will be obsolete long before it gets anywhere near 200 million. If it hits 100 million before the Wii HD (or whatever its called) is released I'd be very surprised.

 

Why do people think a HD Wii will be released. The only reason they would even do that is if they were struggling to sell consoles. Can you say that will happen in the next 2-3 years? People have spoken and they do not need a console with HD graphics.



 


 

I agree. My prediction is around 78 million.



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End of '09 Predictions:

Wii: 78 million
X360: 35 million
PS3: 27 million

I'll go with 75 million end 2009. That means 30 million Wii sales in 2009. That's feasible with loads of core games, remaining casual support and Wii M+. Production is already at that level and Nintendo can still introduce colors and a pricecut.



Over 70million is pretty much a certainty.

Over 75 million is likely.

Over 80 million is possible, but I don't think it will make it.