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gebx on 13 November 2008
Username2324 said:
I think the big point people are missing here is that a game doesn't have to be a million seller to make money, and be profitable.

Therefore the argument that the 360 will get all kinds of exclusives because it can sell 2 million instead of just 1 million is invalid. That 1 million will still make the developer plenty of money and make the game worth it

 

Oh I see.. the developers don't care how much money they make, just as long as they make some profit...hehe, that makes perfect sense.

 

Developers have three choices for HD gaming

A) PS3 Exclusive
Development Cost - 2nd highest
Sales Potential - Lowest

B) 360 Exclusive
Development Cost - Lowest
Sales Potential - 2nd Highest

C) Multiplatform
Development Cost - Highest
Sales Potential - Highest

 

Out of these three choices the worst is the PS3 exclusive. This doesn't even take into account the PC option. If developers decide to make this an exclusive (timed or not) their best option is the 360.

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Username2324 on 13 November 2008
gebx said:
Username2324 said:
I think the big point people are missing here is that a game doesn't have to be a million seller to make money, and be profitable.

Therefore the argument that the 360 will get all kinds of exclusives because it can sell 2 million instead of just 1 million is invalid. That 1 million will still make the developer plenty of money and make the game worth it

 

Oh I see.. the developers don't care how much money they make, just as long as they make some profit...hehe, that makes perfect sense.

 

Developers have three choices for HD gaming

A) PS3 Exclusive
Development Cost - 2nd highest
Sales Potential - Lowest

B) 360 Exclusive
Development Cost - Lowest
Sales Potential - 2nd Highest

C) Multiplatform
Development Cost - Highest
Sales Potential - Highest

 

Out of these three choices the worst is the PS3 exclusive. This doesn't even take into account the PC option. If developers decide to make this an exclusive (timed or not) their best option is the 360.

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I think you misunderstood, did I say PS3 exclusives made more money or profit? No, I said developers aren't going to stop multiplatform titles, because there is money to be made on the PS3, a lot of it, perhaps not as much as the 360 or Wii but it's still alot of money and they are not just going to give it up. Why? BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE MONEY.

 



ultraslick on 13 November 2008

hahaha , so why does the 360 deserve the best hardcore games?

because they were forced to "play their cards right" by slashing the 360 to half the price of the PS3?

Whatever you need to say to convince yourself that buying a 360 is worth while at this point in its life cycle.

IMO, this thread is garbage.



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hatmoza 2.0 on 13 November 2008
bugrimmar said:
you're buying a 360 because its games are selling more?

...

you're saying ps3 games suck because they're not selling as much?

...

idiot.

 

 (i made this thread when i was at work and i didnt have time to finish my thoughts ....this respond goes to anyone saying  "oh u wanna switch to 360 just because sale are bad on the PS3")

its just i was convinced after seeing LBP and R2 sales ,that the 360 is where the software is being sold ....which will result in better exclusives on the console . i wanna be where the good games are and not just blindly follow Sony anymore ...cuz its taken me to hell too many times.

FYI i owned a 360 for one year and sold it after i purchased a PS3 on GTA IV release day 

and to everyone that said i dont own a ps3 or LBP and R2 .........i do and there great games



Cthulhu on 13 November 2008

As i said a million times, LBP is one of the best games ever created. I havent bought resistance 2 yet, as i need to finish playing fallout3, but LBP is getting all my time. I am 30 and after work i always have friends at my place, we CANT STOP PLAYING LBP!!!!



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dejelek on 13 November 2008

you have to remember even with price cut MS made profit per XBOX console sales, even the arcade version,

where on ps3, they are subsidized, they made profit from game sales
if they cut ps3 again, they made a hole lot bigger.

and ms profit on xbox also from xbox live, dlc, where PS3, don't have live subscirption, MS doing just fine with its xbox, even if they want they can slashed the arcade price again next year. with reduced component,



bugrimmar on 13 November 2008
hatmoza 2.0 said:
bugrimmar said:
you're buying a 360 because its games are selling more?

...

you're saying ps3 games suck because they're not selling as much?

...

idiot.

 

 (i made this thread when i was at work and i didnt have time to finish my thoughts ....this respond goes to anyone saying  "oh u wanna switch to 360 just because sale are bad on the PS3")

its just i was convinced after seeing LBP and R2 sales ,that the 360 is where the software is being sold ....which will result in better exclusives on the console . i wanna be where the good games are and not just blindly follow Sony anymore ...cuz its taken me to hell too many times.

FYI i owned a 360 for one year and sold it after i purchased a PS3 on GTA IV release day 

and to everyone that said i dont own a ps3 or LBP and R2 .........i do and there great games

 

your basis for good games is sales. this means your reasoning is mindless and fanboy-oriented.

think about it. even if nobody bought littlebigplanet, does it mean it sucks? if 10 million people buy wii music, does it mean it's good?

no. sales have nothing to do with quality.

so if you reason that since the 360 has more software sales therefore they will make better games in the future, your reasoning is simply dumb. they can, possibly, but there is no necessary connection whatsoever.

bottom line, you should support the console you want to because of the games they produce. i support ps3 because i love gran turismo and god of war. you, on the other hand, seem to be jumping on the bandwagon of the 'popular' choice, which is totally just fanboyish and ridiculous.



Sardauk on 13 November 2008
hatmoza 2.0 said:

these 2 games were supose to be sonys big weapons !!! what happened?

1 Gears of War 2 2,139,656
2

Wii Sports

 501,402
3 LittleBigPlanet 358,354
4 Wii Fit 309,981
5

Resistance 2

304,958

"fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me"

for the second time sony has let the PS3s price tag bring it down it didnt respond to 360s price drop ,and yet again gets dropped kicked in the face, my hat goes off to microsoft they played there cards well and finaly made me realize , that the 360 is where harcore gamers should be , because in the end its all about the games , and we shouldnt bitch about features that no one realy gives a ratsass about !

as a semi hardcoe gamer you still have my love Sony but 1st thing sunday im buying a new 360 !

*EDIT*(i made this thread when i was at work and i didnt have time to finish my thoughts ....this respond goes to anyone saying  "oh u wanna switch to 360 just because sale are bad on the PS3")

its just i was convinced after seeing LBP and R2 sales ,that the 360 is where the software is being sold ....which will result in better exclusives on the console . i wanna be where the good games are and not just blindly follow Sony anymore ...cuz its taken me to hell too many times.

FYI i owned a 360 for one year and sold it after i purchased a PS3 on GTA IV release day 

and to everyone that said i dont own a ps3 or LBP and R2 .........i do and there great games

 

You are absolutly right but your thread will only attract the wrath of fanboyism on you.

It is true that bad sales is a strong indicator of the quality of the offer (I'm not talking about the games of the plateform only). For those out there who dare saying that quality is not related to sales, I think you really need to see a doctor.

I have abandonned SONY for this generation because I didn't get on their marketing BS, and what they tried to hide is now reflected by the sales figures.

Go buy a 360 !



 

Evan Wells (Uncharted 2): I think the differences that you see between any two games has much more to do with the developer than whether it’s on the Xbox or PS3.

S.T.A.G.E. on 13 November 2008
ssj12 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
ssj12 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
ssj12 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
hatmoza 2.0 said:

these 2 games were supose to be sonys big weapons !!! what happened?

1 Gears of War 2 2,139,656
2

Wii Sports

 501,402
3 LittleBigPlanet 358,354
4 Wii Fit 309,981
5

Resistance 2

304,958

"fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me"

for the second time sony has let the PS3s price tag bring it down it didnt respond to 360s price drop ,and yet again gets dropped kicked in the face, my hat goes off to microsoft they played there cards well and finaly made me realize , that the 360 is where harcore gamers should be , because in the end its all about the games , and we shouldnt bitch about features that no one realy gives a ratsass about !

as a semi hardcoe gamer you still have my love Sony but 1st thing sunday im buying a new 360 !

 

It's called having a shitty installed base. 1/4 of the current installed base actually pushes units and thats not enough, because those are only the top tier games. Why don't people listen when I say that the PS3 installed base has a neglectful portion of non gamers who only bought it because its a cheap Blu Ray player? Sony shot themselves in the foot selling to two different markets, because it lowered expectancies for game sales without them knowing it. They knew they were taking a risk in losing money, but didn't know that so many people who were non gamers would buy the PS3. Tsk....dumbasses.

 

how is it shotting themselves in the foot? you realize movie studios make more money of Blu-ray sales versus DVD. So really Sony might have injured their game department but really helped their movie department meaning that in the end they are doing pretty well. Their tactics paid off.

You have to realize that Sony and Microsoft are not strictly game console manufacturers. They are multi-billion dollar corporations that have their hands in many different areas. They are willing to take a hit in one area if it benefits another.

 

It's shooting themselves in the foot because Sony makes profit off of 30% of published titles. They could've made more if they didn't focus on two markets. You see, when people bought the PS3 strictly for Blu Ray is created a huge gap between true gamers and DVD player owners. They raised expectancies of profit for games and everything fell off kilter. If they want to sell a true multimedia system, they need to be more organized and even you can admit that.

Sony cannot afford to take so many hits. Microsoft took a hit and didn't have to give up as much as Sony, because it was just a problem with the system. If people weren't worried about quality in a microsoft system, the 360 would probably have sold more instead of getting such bad press about quality. I've just named Microsoft's achillies heel....can you name Sony's? I just did...but can you accept it.

 

I think they are quite well organized. The PSP is making Sony a profit. It is a multimedia device. Frankly the PSP is a success. Sony did their thing and accomplished it. UMD might have failed but studios still release movies on it sometimes (Warner and Sony do at least). They can do the same with the PS3.

This isnt about software sales as much as hardware. You need hardware costs to go down. Sony has been insanely successful when it comes to doing this. With more PS3s and Blu-ray players sold the cheaper the drives will become. I wouldnt be shocked if Sony doesnt start making a profit in 2009.

Anyways for software you realize that most games, minus say Killzone 2, FFXIII, and a few others, dont need to sell 1 million to make profit. Crysis made a profit selling 200k and its graphics by far destroys everything on consoles today. There is no software numbers like Gears or GTA4 needed to be called a success. You realize Gears 2 only needed to sell maybe 200k copies to break even? you want to know why? Unreal Engine 3 isnt a new engine, engine upgrades dont cost much, they reused old textures, models, etc and polished them. You know what though? Microsoft isnt benefiting from the success as much as Epic is. 95% of all profit goes to the developer not pubisher.

 

Ok, I guess PSP has to come into this, but UMD isn't Blu Ray you see. It's a multimedia device, but doesn't use DVD's. The PSP is agreat handheld. What it competes against are other multimedia devices such as the IPOD (In which I find the I phone to be more relevant). On a gaming tip I like the PSP out of all the  handhelds though. 

This has everything to do with both, because one effects the other reguardless of non-interchangable nature. Of course Sony had to drop the price of software. They also had lower the production costs of the PS3 or else thhey would've been in trouble. The PS3 saved Blu Ray players from being just as pointless as HD-DVD. All alternative DVD players are pointless and redundant. It's not like I wish Sony i'll about making profit, I just wish they would smarten up. Sony got two different markets confusing the projections of their sales. They need to lower expectancy to get true sales attachments.

Crysis sold 200k, ok. Tell me this though...since consoles have become the mainstream PC games sales have been struggling besides for a couple of games. I never said sales over 1 million is needed to be a success, otherwise id be up in the air when games like Ico or Shadow of the Colossus didn't sell so amazing the companies still made profit. You don't need to tell me this. I'm just stating that Sony is raising projections after selling a multimedia console to two different markets. 1/4 of the people who bought the console will account for true sales of games or even less.

 

1. Crysis sold 1.4 million so far. So I think you missed wtf I said.

2. Umm... lets not get into PC as it has been proven time and time again that PC is not struggling since it products 10+ billion sollars in revenue a year which is higher then any single platform's revenue. Yes it kills the Wii's revenue by roughly 2 - 3 billion dollars.

3. I did discuss hardware and software but hardware sales are more important.

 

1. Dude I just went off of what you said, if I misunderstood, I'm sorry. I don't play PC anymore because I have shit to do with my life. When I was younger I used to waste my life on the PC. I don't have time for that anymore, so that aspect I give to you gladly, because PC gaming is a weight I gladly let off of my shoulder.

2. Please...lets not get into PC. The consoles are counted together in the videogame industry when pulling in revenue. Consoles don't war with PC, they war with consoles. PC just gets optional games if devs decide upon it. World of Warcraft is the saving grace of PC anyway and I don't even have time to argue about how pointless that game is to my thriving life. I played it for two weeks and it got pretty fun, but after someone told me they were at level 60 I said "fuck it! I have shit to do".

3. Hardware sales are important and I agree with you, but if they are being sold towards a specific market, however Sony sells to two. This is basically my point. The PS3 sells games at a level below 1/4 of active installed base. The only time it actually sells is with games like MGS4 and Motorstorm was a fluke because of the fact that it was bundled. They'll never have that happen again with Motorstorm 2. Sony sure as hell makes better bundles than Microsoft, good god.

 



S.T.A.G.E. on 13 November 2008
Username2324 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Username2324 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
CGI-Quality said:
True WINNERS in this thread: ssj12, username, leo-j. All this “oh Sony is soooooo doomed” crap is a little ridiculous. Resistance 2 and LBP are nothing short of masterpieces and anyone who owns, and is currently playing them, knows this. @ OP: you should just go play games and have fun, not dwell on who sells the most since you have NO control over it anyway.

 

 

Um...I don't think LBP and Resistance 2 are bad games dude. I was talking about sales issues on Sony's part.

It doesn't appear  that you have a PS3, so I ask, how would you know whether each game was good or not? Perhaps a 30 second peak at a friends, hmm?

 

Actually yesterday I treated myself a PS3. I'm buying MGS4 on friday.

 

Yesterday... And in that time you've been able to complete LBP and Resistance 2?

 

 

 What are you talking about? I stated that I think the both of them both look like good games. I was talking to the guy about Sony's sales issues. LBP isn't on the top of my list of games to buy on the PS3 dude. MGS4 first.