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Staude on 10 October 2008
Dgc1808 said:
Um... UMD had just the psp....

Blu-ray has the PS3 which is selling pretty decently now, and stand-alone players that are reaching mroe to people that don't really want a game system.

Bluray also has much more studio support that UMD has. [Since BD has nearly all, and UMD only had a few]

Bluray's are spreading faster than DVD did.
UMD.... err...

and blu ray like dvd... actually hooks up to your tv. (the old psp didn't)



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makingmusic476 on 10 October 2008

Honestly, what did you expect Microsoft to say?



makingmusic476 on 10 October 2008
jasonnc80 said:
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
Garcian Smith said:
The next DVD-like format will be whatever comes after Blu-Ray. As of right now, Blu-Ray is the next LaserDisc/SACD/UMD.

 

Fanboy.

BluRay has already outpaced those formats pretty clearly.

MS already burned its FUD allowance by claiming earlier that Blu-Ray would be the next Betamax.  Oh, clever, they've picked another format to compare it to.  MS: you lost and cost Toshiba billions and your codecs are not in use in HD media in the living room!!!! aHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

Universal is now hard at work with the Blu-Ray transfers, which are higher quality than their earlier HD-DVD ones.  Why don't we ask f-ing Universal Pictures if Blu-Ray has a future, huh people?

Blu-Ray isn't going anywhere.  10% of people on Netflix already rent Blu-Ray, sales are pretty good, and the numbers will keep increasing as standalone prices drop and more PS3s get out there.  The recession (thanks, lack-of-oversight-during-6-years-of-unified-Republican-rule) will doubtless slow adoption a bit.  Oh well.

Last I checked VC-1 was still used quite often. Granted it's not a majorty but Warner & Universal still use it almost exclusively.  Even if it was stopped tomorrow it doesn't matter, every BD player has to support the codec so MS get's a chunk of money regardless if it's actually used or not.  Same way Toshiba gets money for the Cell even though PS3 adoption was a huge part in the death of HD-DVD.  The reality is that cross business ventures are the norm between competitors when it's beneficial to them both.

OT: I don't agree with the OP. I think BD adoption is here to stay. It was one of two main reasons why I purchased my PS3 as early as I did.  At this point in time though I see Blu ray as a supplement to DVD and not as a replacement.  People always say that some new physical format will come down the pipe or DD will surplant Blu ray but I don't see that either.  If the HD picture/sound of Blu ray supposedly isn't enough why would a super-duper BD+ disc in the future be?  It's ridiculous IMO.

I think the future lies in options.  The same amount or more content will be purchased but it will come from a variety of sources.  On demand, direct download, HD & SD physical media.

 

VC-1 is being used somewhat, but AVC has become far more popular.  VC-1 was mostly used because of HD DVD's sizes limitations.  It was really only used for by Warner, Paramount, and Universal.

Also, Microsoft's iHD technology is now not being used at all.



shams on 10 October 2008

Remember, that MS never really wanted HD-DVD to win. If they did, even 360 would have had one in it.

All they wanted, was to "delay" BluRays victory over HD-DVD - to make it even harder for it to become adopted as a standard.

Its just like this generation - its not about winning, its about neutralising Sony. They have done a pretty good job to date :P



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bobobologna on 10 October 2008
shams said:

Remember, that MS never really wanted HD-DVD to win. If they did, even 360 would have had one in it.

All they wanted, was to "delay" BluRays victory over HD-DVD - to make it even harder for it to become adopted as a standard.

Its just like this generation - its not about winning, its about neutralising Sony. They have done a pretty good job to date :P

 


So all those people who bought the HD-DVD add-on for the XBox360 were just part of Microsoft's plan to delay Bluray adoption?  And you guys LIKE Microsoft?



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naraku2099 on 10 October 2008

"Having chosen to back the wrong horse in the form of the failed HD-DVD business, Microsoft's position on high-definition movie and TV content currently revolves firmly around digital distribution."

So basically, they're saying "Yep, we picked the wrong one last time. But instead of backing (what proved to be) the right horse, we're going with something else. You can trust us this time, it'll be ok."

The problem with digital distribution is simple. Hi-def movies take alot of space. A 24 minute episode of Xam'd from PSN (in 720p HD) takes up 1.53 GB, and they're talking about 1-and-a-half to two hour long movies. An entire movie is somewhere between 5-10 GB. Most people just don't have the space on their Hard Drives to have a decent sized hi-def movie collection that sucks up that much space. No to mention that (inevitably) when higher resolutions are created, they'll take up even more space. When that time comes, Blu-Rays will still have enough data storage.



cleveland124 on 10 October 2008

Lol, stretch argument. UMD was dead on delivery, worse quality, worse compatibility and more expensive than traditional DVD. UMD never came close to 5% of the market.



naraku2099 on 10 October 2008
Millennium said:
Honestly, I see it as more of a "next laserdisc" then "next UMD". It doesn't offer enough over the dominant format for most people to care (and for many to even perceive), and so it'll become a niche format for technophiles.

I think that's what they said about DVDs at first.

 



naraku2099 on 10 October 2008
bobobologna said:
shams said:

Remember, that MS never really wanted HD-DVD to win. If they did, even 360 would have had one in it.

All they wanted, was to "delay" BluRays victory over HD-DVD - to make it even harder for it to become adopted as a standard.

Its just like this generation - its not about winning, its about neutralising Sony. They have done a pretty good job to date :P

 


So all those people who bought the HD-DVD add-on for the XBox360 were just part of Microsoft's plan to delay Bluray adoption?  And you guys LIKE Microsoft?

And at (for much of the time) $199, that's quite an expensive "delay plan".

 



Naum on 10 October 2008

Blu-ray the next UMD?? strange I have about 10 Blu-ray movies but I have never ever bought a UMD-movie, and yes I used to own a PSP.



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