mrstickball said:
And here are facts:

The X360 is at the same differential of the PS3 in sales from any other point. The 360 has around (give or take 200k or so), 6.5m units.
6.5 - is nothing in console market. FACT.

For any argument of a Sony fanboy saying MGS, DMC, FFXIII, Drakes, Lair, Heavenly Sword, or any big-budget title that will make the PS3 sell well (which I won't argue), the 360 has the same quality AAA games.
What exclusive x360 games are same quality, as ps3 games?

Therefore, any game you say, can be easily renounced by the 360. Both systems are dead even in terms of games.
Yeah, sure. Just like x360 games - Trusty bell, ace combat 6, Kane & Lynch and etc.

So your going to have to find a reason that consumers are going to randomly buy 6.5m more PS3s than 360s over a decent timeframe.
Over 5 mln. fans of MGS, over 7 mln. fans of FF, over 8 mln. fans of GT and etc.

Also, it's a near mathmatical impossiblility, that at ANY point in 2007, that the PS3 will ever cut their 6.5m deficit by any major number by the end of the year.
Depend on many factors. Time will show.

If anything, as numbers are showing, the 360 is leading, and will well into 2008, until, at a minimum, FFXIII launches and attempts to revive a Playstation brand in Japan.
Probably. Well GT5 prologue may help too. As Tekken 6.

Until that point, sometime in mid-2008, your not going to see any sort of major sales.
Just like ps2, first year 10 mln. second and third 20 mln. each.

I'm going to paint a bleak picture for you: Christmas 2007 won't go well for Sony. Trends are showing that the PS3 is continuing to slide Dreamcast and GC style that are going to severly inhibit major sales of the PS3 globally against a much more fit Wii and 360. The #1, and only real reason is price.
Priceut may help, some people just wait to buy ps3 for 499$.

IF Sony doesn't drop the price, it's very unlikely that consumers will just suddenly buy 3-4m PS3s globally in November and December, when the 360 will get a price cut, and the Wii will maintain it's brisk sales.
Novemeber-Decemebr x360 in usa made 2 mln. Just thnx to gears. PS3 will have much more AAA titles by this autumn. Now add Japan and Europe.

In all reality, the 360 could beat the PS3 2:1 globally this holiday. 
With price cut, maybe. Without it, no way.

From there, where do fanboys think the PS3 can recover from such a low position rapidly? I'm not saying it's impossible, and most likely will happen. But to assume that Folk Soul, NGS, Uncharted, KZ, MGS, DMC4, or any title (except maybe FFXIII) is going to revive the Playstation 3, and exalt it to heaven is just as idiotic as the X360 fanboys assuming that Blue Dragon was going to make the X360 viable competition in Japan against everyone, and give it consistant sales.
x360 is now doing 2 times better in japan, then in 2006. =)) People complain about price and no games. Whats is x360 excuses for low sales?

Just like Gundam Mousou, any game that comes out will help it's platform, but not in a major way. It's difficult for a GAMER to justify an insane $600 when the Neo Geo was out, and the same for the Playstation 3.
Each AAA game will make a 600$ console worth it`s money. FACT.

You can't just always say "oh, the 2nd half of 2007, ect will trend better, and it'll revive the system". Don't get me wrong, it'll do better. But even if it does 100% better (which is very unlikely), that STILL equals sales of 100,000 a week! Do you think those numbers, although better, are meaningful against a 360 that ALREADY sells near 100k a week NOW with the same quality of titles coming out in Q3 and 4?
I think, that till september sales of PS3 wont grow really much. But due september-october may grow twice.

A good example is the 360 in 2006: it trended as being strong in 2006 Q1, and started slowly declining in Q2 and mid Q3. Even when the supposed major titles came, in N3, Saints Row, Splinter Cell, Dead Rising, million-seller Madden 07, and the other major titles came, hardware didn't really do any better.
Those games are just averages, except maybe DR. Madden - amercian game, so all who wanted to buy x360 for that game and other american games, already had bought x360.

It was November, when retailers started offering $50 and $100 discounts on the system, that sales started majorly picking up, and sold very well. If Sony cannot match what MS did last year (with a price drop, or atleast some incenives), I fail to see where in the world a much more expensive system would trend better than a much-cheaper system.
600$ system in first 6 month worldwide is dooing same as 400$ system, don`t you see that?

Also, saying Home will sell systems makes as much sence as a content upgrade for Oblivion will move hardware: It's idiocy at it's finest. No matter how popular it is, a virtual achivement area doesn't sell systems. Gamerscore was, and is still huge on the 360, and hundreds of sites are dedicated to tracking and informing people of gamerscore. Did gamerscore sell ANY 360s? No. It made for people renting quite a few games from Blockbuster, but that was the length of MS's marketing genious. When your trying to copy something like gamerscore/achivements, or Wii Waggle with the Sixaxis, any sort of advantage the predicessor had still remains, and your going to find that your thing only allows you to survive, not strive.
You can`t know.

I'm not trying to speak gloom and doom, but the reason everyone is so anti-PS3 sales is this: Sales for the PS3 suck. There is no way to extrapolate that the biggest console in history has only sold 3.5 or 3.6 million units well into it's first year.
Price+no games. Just like ps2 didn`t have much games.

When you try to justify sales using price, or any other reason, you are proving the system doesn't sell, because any and every thing is now a reason it won't sell. The only time that price justifies discussion about sales is IF and WHEN the price is lowered, but not before.
People are different, some people will pay 660$ to play just one game. Do you know how much MGS or FF or GT fans for sure won`t buy ps3 for they favourite games?

Give it up kids, leave your PS3 uber-sales behind, and come back in 2009 when it might have dug itself somewhat out of the hole it's in. Until then, you may play whatever games keep you company on that $600 behemoth you own.

It`s only 6 month passed. If after 18 month ps3 will be selling like x360 today, then ps3 is doomed, till then, it`s more then successful system for 600$ and not much games.