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luinil said:
The whole argument is that OoT was called "the perfect game" and has aged very well. Ppl simply don't want a game that isn't perfect to supplant a perfect game. If a game is worthy then it should be placed at #1, but if it does have issues, then can it be called #1?

No game is perfect. OoT has aged well in your opinion, I disagree. I think Zelda: TP can completely replace it now and you wouldn't lose anything. On the other hand, Mario 64 has aged much better.

That's actually not true at all. The Past/Future dual world scenario would not be replicated and thus produces two very different games. While the SNES Zelda started the dual world scenario, Twilight Princess's is decidedly different in execution and not integral to the overall adventure like OoT's.

 



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hahahaha not only is it 10 years late, it was done by "thunderbolt"

who the hell has ever heard of thunderbolt??



I think that part of what people are forgetting here is that there is more than just pure fun that warrants a high ranking a of a game. to a certain extent, a high ranking is also based on what advancements brings to the field.

I personally have trouble going back to playing OoT, because the graphics take a bit to readjust to, and I find the controls to be clunky, especially after what twilight Princess has been like with the Wiimote.

But aside from this, I recognize just what all OoT brought to the table; It was THE leap from a 2D Zelda world to a 3D Zelda world, and pretty much set the standard for how action adventure games worked in a 3d world.

Somehow, I do find it a little hard to believe that GTA IV managed that level of advancement.



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The main thing that makes a game perfect is if it is remembered. All of you who played OOT remember that game almost frontwards and back. FFVII, you remember most of it, but I doubt GTAIV is going to be like that. Most of us will forget it once the new GTA comes out.



 

wareagle372 said:
The main thing that makes a game perfect is if it is remembered. All of you who played OOT remember that game almost frontwards and back. FFVII, you remember most of it, but I doubt GTAIV is going to be like that. Most of us will forget it once the new GTA comes out.

Very well said.



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You know what. Don't look at the HIGHEST RATED GAME as THE BEST GAME OF ALL TIME. Games aren't reviewed for all time are they? So why say the game is going to be the best game of all time when you know a future game will eventually replace it. Instead say it is the BEST GAME FOR ITS TIME. That would be more correct. It would also make this thread / and I would love that.

 I agree 100%, and that's what I was trying to say when I got flamed (in my other post). :)

I believe this is the first time I've used this word on this forum, but you were flamed because you're a fanboy. Your reasons and deductions are ludicrous. Your aggressive nature towards the game in question is obvious.

You have been trumpeting GTA IV since the day the reviews started to leak out. You eventually realized that people weren't so readily going to accept it as the Second Coming and became deathly afraid of that fact when you realized what was blocking that road: Ocarina of Time. From that point you have done nothing but crusade against that game in thread after thread.

You talk about getting flamed as if you didn't bring it on yourself. Zelda as a franchise is over 20 years old and Ocarina of Time has had nearly a decade to sink into gaming history as an important part of it. It should come as no surprise to you that it has a loyal fanbase, and yet you tease and aggravate them like a fool poking a hungry lion with a tree branch. You have made threads for the sole purpose of trying to force your opinion of GTA and OoT down people's throats, using analogies and conclusions that, quite frankly, don't make any amount of sense. When you fail to change the world, you start the process all over again. When backed into a corner, you continue to cry and complain about the earlier lashings you recieved before, of course ignoring the fact that you brought it on yourself.

I think you very well knew that the review you were talking about had no relevance to GTA IV. I think that instead, you thought the OoT fans wouldn't be smart or perceptive enough to catch your bluff, possibly attempting to back down or apologize for this since you haven't been able to make any progress yourself in the slightest. When caught, you predictably back into the corner, pretending to be the victim. "The OoT fanboys are rabid! Make them stop! They are flaming me!"

I think there are so rabid OoT fanboys out there, but at the moment I would say that we have one rabid GTA IV fan too many.


That's funny. I think you completely misunderstand me all together. I don't care about GTA4, and I don't care about OoT. What I think is funny, is a game comes out, gets higher scores then a 10 year old game,. and people say that the ten year old game is a better game.

I totally disagree with that philosophy. It just happens to be that the game today is GTA4, and the game from ten years ago was OoT. If the argument was GTA1 got a perfect score 10 years ago, and the latest Zelda got a 10 and people were coming out of the woodwork to compare it to a 10 year old game, I would be having this same discussion about Zelda.

The gaming industry advances. We expect more every year out of a game, and every year we get more. The games get longer, the stories get better, the technology improves, and the budgets grow.

Because there is a lot of money to be made, a lot of bad games are made, but the best games of today are just better then the best games of yesterday. I played the shit out of Archon in 1983, and here 25 years later I can still remember playing it. But that does not mean it holds a candle to OoT, or GTA4, or any good game released in the last 10 years.

That's just my opinion, your free to have your own. But for me, todays cars are better then yesterdays cars. Todays great movies are better then yesterdays great movies. Today's computers are better then yesterdays computers, and todays games are better then yesterdays games.

Tomorrows advancements will be better then todays. 



TheRealMafoo said:
SuperLloyd said:
TheRealMafoo said:
sc94597 said:
You know what. Don't look at the HIGHEST RATED GAME as THE BEST GAME OF ALL TIME. Games aren't reviewed for all time are they? So why say the game is going to be the best game of all time when you know a future game will eventually replace it. Instead say it is the BEST GAME FOR ITS TIME. That would be more correct. It would also make this thread / and I would love that.

I agree 100%, and that's what I was trying to say when I got flamed (in my other post). :)

I believe this is the first time I've used this word on this forum, but you were flamed because you're a fanboy. Your reasons and deductions are ludicrous. Your aggressive nature towards the game in question is obvious.

You have been trumpeting GTA IV since the day the reviews started to leak out. You eventually realized that people weren't so readily going to accept it as the Second Coming and became deathly afraid of that fact when you realized what was blocking that road: Ocarina of Time. From that point you have done nothing but crusade against that game in thread after thread.

You talk about getting flamed as if you didn't bring it on yourself. Zelda as a franchise is over 20 years old and Ocarina of Time has had nearly a decade to sink into gaming history as an important part of it. It should come as no surprise to you that it has a loyal fanbase, and yet you tease and aggravate them like a fool poking a hungry lion with a tree branch. You have made threads for the sole purpose of trying to force your opinion of GTA and OoT down people's throats, using analogies and conclusions that, quite frankly, don't make any amount of sense. When you fail to change the world, you start the process all over again. When backed into a corner, you continue to cry and complain about the earlier lashings you recieved before, of course ignoring the fact that you brought it on yourself.

I think you very well knew that the review you were talking about had no relevance to GTA IV. I think that instead, you thought the OoT fans wouldn't be smart or perceptive enough to catch your bluff, possibly attempting to back down or apologize for this since you haven't been able to make any progress yourself in the slightest. When caught, you predictably back into the corner, pretending to be the victim. "The OoT fanboys are rabid! Make them stop! They are flaming me!"

I think there are so rabid OoT fanboys out there, but at the moment I would say that we have one rabid GTA IV fan too many.


That's funny. I think you completely misunderstand me all together. I don't care about GTA4, and I don't care about OoT. What I think is funny, is a game comes out, gets higher scores then a 10 year old game,. and people say that the ten year old game is a better game.

I totally disagree with that philosophy. It just happens to be that the game today is GTA4, and the game from ten years ago was OoT. If the argument was GTA1 got a perfect score 10 years ago, and the latest Zelda got a 10 and people were coming out of the woodwork to compare it to a 10 year old game, I would be having this same discussion about Zelda.

The gaming industry advances. We expect more every year out of a game, and every year we get more. The games get longer, the stories get better, the technology improves, and the budgets grow.

Because there is a lot of money to be made, a lot of bad games are made, but the best games of today are just better then the best games of yesterday. I played the shit out of Archon in 1983, and here 25 years later I can still remember playing it. But that does not mean it holds a candle to OoT, or GTA4, or any good game released in the last 10 years.

That's just my opinion, your free to have your own. But for me, todays cars are better then yesterdays cars. Todays great movies are better then yesterdays great movies. Today's computers are better then yesterdays computers, and todays games are better then yesterdays games.

Tomorrows advancements will be better then todays.


 No way man.  Give me a 1956 Bel Air any day.  Also i haven't seen a "great" movie that's came out in the last 10 years or so either... like one that will go down in history as a definite classic.

Computers yeah.  However computers really have no art to them like cars, movies or games. 



supermario128 said:
Nothing can beat OoT.

 QFT.



Kasz216 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
SuperLloyd said:
TheRealMafoo said:
sc94597 said:
You know what. Don't look at the HIGHEST RATED GAME as THE BEST GAME OF ALL TIME. Games aren't reviewed for all time are they? So why say the game is going to be the best game of all time when you know a future game will eventually replace it. Instead say it is the BEST GAME FOR ITS TIME. That would be more correct. It would also make this thread / and I would love that.

I agree 100%, and that's what I was trying to say when I got flamed (in my other post). :)

I believe this is the first time I've used this word on this forum, but you were flamed because you're a fanboy. Your reasons and deductions are ludicrous. Your aggressive nature towards the game in question is obvious.

You have been trumpeting GTA IV since the day the reviews started to leak out. You eventually realized that people weren't so readily going to accept it as the Second Coming and became deathly afraid of that fact when you realized what was blocking that road: Ocarina of Time. From that point you have done nothing but crusade against that game in thread after thread.

You talk about getting flamed as if you didn't bring it on yourself. Zelda as a franchise is over 20 years old and Ocarina of Time has had nearly a decade to sink into gaming history as an important part of it. It should come as no surprise to you that it has a loyal fanbase, and yet you tease and aggravate them like a fool poking a hungry lion with a tree branch. You have made threads for the sole purpose of trying to force your opinion of GTA and OoT down people's throats, using analogies and conclusions that, quite frankly, don't make any amount of sense. When you fail to change the world, you start the process all over again. When backed into a corner, you continue to cry and complain about the earlier lashings you recieved before, of course ignoring the fact that you brought it on yourself.

I think you very well knew that the review you were talking about had no relevance to GTA IV. I think that instead, you thought the OoT fans wouldn't be smart or perceptive enough to catch your bluff, possibly attempting to back down or apologize for this since you haven't been able to make any progress yourself in the slightest. When caught, you predictably back into the corner, pretending to be the victim. "The OoT fanboys are rabid! Make them stop! They are flaming me!"

I think there are so rabid OoT fanboys out there, but at the moment I would say that we have one rabid GTA IV fan too many.


That's funny. I think you completely misunderstand me all together. I don't care about GTA4, and I don't care about OoT. What I think is funny, is a game comes out, gets higher scores then a 10 year old game,. and people say that the ten year old game is a better game.

I totally disagree with that philosophy. It just happens to be that the game today is GTA4, and the game from ten years ago was OoT. If the argument was GTA1 got a perfect score 10 years ago, and the latest Zelda got a 10 and people were coming out of the woodwork to compare it to a 10 year old game, I would be having this same discussion about Zelda.

The gaming industry advances. We expect more every year out of a game, and every year we get more. The games get longer, the stories get better, the technology improves, and the budgets grow.

Because there is a lot of money to be made, a lot of bad games are made, but the best games of today are just better then the best games of yesterday. I played the shit out of Archon in 1983, and here 25 years later I can still remember playing it. But that does not mean it holds a candle to OoT, or GTA4, or any good game released in the last 10 years.

That's just my opinion, your free to have your own. But for me, todays cars are better then yesterdays cars. Todays great movies are better then yesterdays great movies. Today's computers are better then yesterdays computers, and todays games are better then yesterdays games.

Tomorrows advancements will be better then todays.


No way man. Give me a 1956 Bel Air any day. Also i haven't seen a "great" movie that's came out in the last 10 years or so either... like one that will go down in history as a definite classic.

Computers yeah. However computers really have no art to them like cars, movies or games.


 Lord of the Rings?



TheRealMafoo said:

 


That's funny. I think you completely misunderstand me all together. I don't care about GTA4, and I don't care about OoT. What I think is funny, is a game comes out, gets higher scores then a 10 year old game,. and people say that the ten year old game is a better game.

I totally disagree with that philosophy. It just happens to be that the game today is GTA4, and the game from ten years ago was OoT. If the argument was GTA1 got a perfect score 10 years ago, and the latest Zelda got a 10 and people were coming out of the woodwork to compare it to a 10 year old game, I would be having this same discussion about Zelda.

The gaming industry advances. We expect more every year out of a game, and every year we get more. The games get longer, the stories get better, the technology improves, and the budgets grow.

Because there is a lot of money to be made, a lot of bad games are made, but the best games of today are just better then the best games of yesterday. I played the shit out of Archon in 1983, and here 25 years later I can still remember playing it. But that does not mean it holds a candle to OoT, or GTA4, or any good game released in the last 10 years.

That's just my opinion, your free to have your own. But for me, todays cars are better then yesterdays cars. Todays great movies are better then yesterdays great movies. Today's computers are better then yesterdays computers, and todays games are better then yesterdays games.

Tomorrows advancements will be better then todays. 


Here is a weirder concept for you. I think Secret of Evermore is better than GTA4. The game is significantly older than 10 years, and wasn't even critically or comercially succesful. The reason you got flamed for 3 pages is because you are telling people their opinions are wrong. Opinions on this is better than that are rarely wrong. Just because something is more technically advanced does not make it more fun. Is Superman 64 more fun than chess? Matter of opinion I imagine.



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