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One of those still has a large presence in Japan. The other has almost none. UK will always be a PlayStation nation. Xbox might get the US again. MS will never have the most sales in a generation. Power has rarely really mattered in total sales. Power/speed is negligible to consumer choice.

Last edited by Leynos - on 19 March 2020

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Leynos said:

One of those still has a large presence in Japan. The other has almost none. UK will always be a PlayStation nation. Xbox might get the US again. MS will never have the most sales in a generation. Power has rarely really mattered in total sales. Power/speed is negligible to consumer choice.

MS is looking to buy studio in Japan and increase their presence there



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DonFerrari said:
Leynos said:

One of those still has a large presence in Japan. The other has almost none. UK will always be a PlayStation nation. Xbox might get the US again. MS will never have the most sales in a generation. Power has rarely really mattered in total sales. Power/speed is negligible to consumer choice.

MS is looking to buy studio in Japan and increase their presence there

They have said that forever and even if they do. It won't matter. Japan just does not care about Xbox. I did hear a rumor Platinum rejected an offer to be bought by them. We all know the SEGA and Nintendo rumors. 360 they had a bunch of exclusive RPGs from both Tales of to new IPs from Sakaguchi and they had a huge marketing campaign in Japan for them. From big CE's to themed consoles and live events. Did very little overall.  They designed the 360 to be sleeker and appeal more to Japan. It didn't matter. A studio isn't all Japanese studios. Xbox 360 is the best selling Xbox console in Japan and it still didn't sell as well as Sega Saturn there or Wii U. About half of Wii U Japan sales. Japan belongs to PlayStation and Nintendo.

Last edited by Leynos - on 20 March 2020

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Last edited by sales2099 - on 20 March 2020

Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

BraLoD said:

Next gen is sounding a lot like SNES vs Mega Drive to me.

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I think you answered your own question there. The SNES won of course.



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Leynos said:
DonFerrari said:

MS is looking to buy studio in Japan and increase their presence there

They have said that forever and even if they do. It won't matter. Japan just does not care about Xbox. I did hear a rumor Platinum rejected an offer to be bought by them. We all know the SEGA and Nintendo rumors. 360 they had a bunch of exclusive RPGs from both Tales of to new IPs from Sakaguchi and they had a huge marketing campaign in Japan for them. From big CE's to themed consoles and live events. Did very little overall.  They designed the 360 to be sleeker and appeal more to Japan. It didn't matter. A studio isn't all Japanese studios. Xbox 360 is the best selling Xbox console in Japan and it still didn't sell as well as Sega Saturn there or Wii U. About half of Wii U Japan sales. Japan belongs to PlayStation and Nintendo.

It’s more for western gamers who are obsessed with anything from japan ;)



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

The sony exclusives will prevail, as always. Even with more teraflops, if it is indeed more powerful in real terms when you consider all other factors, it comes down to the ambition and scope of the first party titles will be a game changer. Multiplats will be very similar.



Well honestly, ima call it out that speed only is seeming to matter because that’s the only advantage PS5 has more or less. The narrative for over 15 years was who has the most power...both sides fought over this. Now speed all of a sudden is the forefront??? Lol cmon.

Both will have crazy reduced load times compared to last gen. PS5 will just do theirs better. But ultimately it won’t have the raw power to really do what the Series X is capable of. What it can do it will do very fast but the ceiling just is under Xbox.

Plus we keep counting the TF for PS5 when it’s being overclocked where as the Series X maintains the entire time. PS5 will be struggling just to keep the 2 TF gap, the reality will be 3 standard, which is about 25%.

Call me a traditionalist, Im going with the criteria that always mattered for console specs instead of going with a narrative that was never brought up in the past.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

DonFerrari said:
src said:

Xbox extra power leads to resolution and frame rate bumps but the bump is not nearly enough to make noticeable differences afaik. SSD speed is game changing. Both Xbox and PS5 have game changing SSD but PS5's is on another level.

Will the PS5 SSD show big gameplay changes from the XBX's? This is a question that can only be answered once we see the games.

We will never be sure since multiplats will need to work on both systems and exclusives we won't know if that is decision of devs, capability of them or really the SSD difference.

Yes but aspects that are scalable is something third parties always take advantage on with different hardware: framerates, resolutions, texture sizes, LOD etc

Hiku said:
starcraft said:

I read that as well, and agree that it is interesting. But again this thread likely overstates the distinction. It wouldn't be enough that Sony can do that. It would have to be the case the the MS console cannot do that. I consider it unlikely that that will be the case, as MS was surely mindful of this in designing its console with two different types of RAM.

Add to that, even in the worst case where the PS5 can somehow achieve this and the Xbox can not, it would be limited to a few very advanced PS5 games, and even then whats rendered on screen would look worse than the most advanced Xbox games - try marketing that!

I would hope that XSX could use the SSD in a similar manner, even at a slower degree, because then that means multiplatform games would be able to take better advantage of this. Though it seems like that wasn't MS's approach.

In which case the use of this for third party games may be limited to things like making more use of higher resolution assets in general.
A former Naughty Dog developer talked about this:



Essentially from my understanding, Xbox Series X is more capable of generating higher resolution assets. But you can only go as far with the quality of assets as the memory allows for the game. Basically, the memory is a bottleneck. And I think XSX primarily uses RAM for this.
But PS5's SSD would be capable of delivering higher than usual resolution assets, and more of them, on screen.

For first party exclusive games, this could impact the game design in general. But it's capability of handling large amounts of high quality assets will be interesting to see in multiplatform games as well.

From my understanding the SSD speed is a real gamechanger as it allows devs to load a larger amount of assets from the SSD to the RAM.

Lets say 1080p/60fps of a game requires 4GB/s. Therefore the 4GB needs to be loaded into the RAM so CPU/GPU do all the calculations that result in the frames being rendered on TV. We have 16 GB of RAM so we can store 4 seconds of gameplay in advance. With SSD speeds, devs can simply load only 2 seconds of gameplay at the same frame rate (8GB per second) and hence each frame can use more data.

Perhaps someone with more knowledge can explain how the SSD -> RAM -> output pipeline works in terms of data transfer for games.



sales2099 said:
Leynos said:

They have said that forever and even if they do. It won't matter. Japan just does not care about Xbox. I did hear a rumor Platinum rejected an offer to be bought by them. We all know the SEGA and Nintendo rumors. 360 they had a bunch of exclusive RPGs from both Tales of to new IPs from Sakaguchi and they had a huge marketing campaign in Japan for them. From big CE's to themed consoles and live events. Did very little overall.  They designed the 360 to be sleeker and appeal more to Japan. It didn't matter. A studio isn't all Japanese studios. Xbox 360 is the best selling Xbox console in Japan and it still didn't sell as well as Sega Saturn there or Wii U. About half of Wii U Japan sales. Japan belongs to PlayStation and Nintendo.

It’s more for western gamers who are obsessed with anything from japan ;)

All the more reason as a Japanese company I would not sell to them. Those western gamers are on PS4 and Switch anyway who want Japanese stuff.



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