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Mr Puggsly said:

Sunset Overdrive was great but that belongs to Sony now. My guess is PS5 will get a remaster and they will determine if a sequel is ever worth doing. That is the Spiderman studio right now.

Sunset overdrive was more or less the spiritual successor to Jet Set on the Original Xbox anyway.
...So it isn't entirely impossible to have another spiritual successor done by another studio.

Angelus said:
Random_Matt said:
Xbox buyers who say they have a PC do not have a PC.

That's weird….could have sworn I've got a PC somewhere around here….

I own multiple PC's. I am primarily a PC gamer.
I also own every Microsoft console, most of Sony's consoles and most of Nintendo's consoles.

Obviously his statement was going to be factually incorrect even if one person on the planet owned a PC and Xbox.

drkohler said:

A separate ray tracing chip is just about the dumbest thing you can do. I know this idea came up in other forums for no reasons or explanations given, but it is just about the dumbest thing you can do.

Let me just finish this topic by stating that a separate ray tracing chip is just about the dumbest thing you can do.

Explain why.




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Mr Puggsly said:
DonFerrari said:

In my opinion Sony is just hoping they can use 3rd party games to prop up Playstation in Japan. If that won't work, then they will give up. I feel that's hoping for the best versus taking an initiative. But we have differing perspectives.

I hear you, the console market is revived solely because Playstation 4 is a thing. Not because of 3rd party developers.

Persona 5 did fine in the west for that style of game.

I was suggesting they may have to moneyhat games to combat Switch in Japan eventually, you're conflating different discussions. Nintendo will definitely make them and maybe moneyhat too. Sony has little interest in making games for Japan, but I can seem them moneyhatting though.

The games that Sony has funded has primarily been action titles with a western appeal. Hence, Sony is popular in the west and they fund games for that market. Sony is popular in Japan but they don't really fund games for them. The reasons are fairly obvious. The west matters more and that's is what Sony is focused on.

@bold: That opinion is based on what exactly? What do you mean by give up? Playstation is a global brand at this point, with strong support in every single region generation after generation, which is something the other competitors can't really claim.

About the funding of games in the "west" vs Japan, I mean, we do have examples like Bloodborne and Demon's Souls right? Not sure I would classify them as "action titles". I have no data to show they are investing more money in 3rd party deals in one area vs the other. One thing should be noted though, there is no competition from Microsoft in that market, which means every big budget game gets made for the PS4, with less than a 50% (guessing) chance of it ever coming to Xbox.



setsunatenshi said:
Mr Puggsly said:

In my opinion Sony is just hoping they can use 3rd party games to prop up Playstation in Japan. If that won't work, then they will give up. I feel that's hoping for the best versus taking an initiative. But we have differing perspectives.

I hear you, the console market is revived solely because Playstation 4 is a thing. Not because of 3rd party developers.

Persona 5 did fine in the west for that style of game.

I was suggesting they may have to moneyhat games to combat Switch in Japan eventually, you're conflating different discussions. Nintendo will definitely make them and maybe moneyhat too. Sony has little interest in making games for Japan, but I can seem them moneyhatting though.

The games that Sony has funded has primarily been action titles with a western appeal. Hence, Sony is popular in the west and they fund games for that market. Sony is popular in Japan but they don't really fund games for them. The reasons are fairly obvious. The west matters more and that's is what Sony is focused on.

@bold: That opinion is based on what exactly? What do you mean by give up? Playstation is a global brand at this point, with strong support in every single region generation after generation, which is something the other competitors can't really claim.

About the funding of games in the "west" vs Japan, I mean, we do have examples like Bloodborne and Demon's Souls right? Not sure I would classify them as "action titles". I have no data to show they are investing more money in 3rd party deals in one area vs the other. One thing should be noted though, there is no competition from Microsoft in that market, which means every big budget game gets made for the PS4, with less than a 50% (guessing) chance of it ever coming to Xbox.

I have bowed out of the discussion. You can see the several replies and basically Sony is hoping for the best because they don't release majority of their games focusing exclusively on Japan, the global view and dominance of Sony with releases that interest everybody (and sure focusing their 1st party on games the 3rd parties aren't making) means they don't care about Japan and just hope to sell there with whatever is delivered by 3rd parties.

Basically it is another case of Sony dominating 3 gens by luck, hope and no merit.



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setsunatenshi said:
Mr Puggsly said:

In my opinion Sony is just hoping they can use 3rd party games to prop up Playstation in Japan. If that won't work, then they will give up. I feel that's hoping for the best versus taking an initiative. But we have differing perspectives.

I hear you, the console market is revived solely because Playstation 4 is a thing. Not because of 3rd party developers.

Persona 5 did fine in the west for that style of game.

I was suggesting they may have to moneyhat games to combat Switch in Japan eventually, you're conflating different discussions. Nintendo will definitely make them and maybe moneyhat too. Sony has little interest in making games for Japan, but I can seem them moneyhatting though.

The games that Sony has funded has primarily been action titles with a western appeal. Hence, Sony is popular in the west and they fund games for that market. Sony is popular in Japan but they don't really fund games for them. The reasons are fairly obvious. The west matters more and that's is what Sony is focused on.

@bold: That opinion is based on what exactly? What do you mean by give up? Playstation is a global brand at this point, with strong support in every single region generation after generation, which is something the other competitors can't really claim.

About the funding of games in the "west" vs Japan, I mean, we do have examples like Bloodborne and Demon's Souls right? Not sure I would classify them as "action titles". I have no data to show they are investing more money in 3rd party deals in one area vs the other. One thing should be noted though, there is no competition from Microsoft in that market, which means every big budget game gets made for the PS4, with less than a 50% (guessing) chance of it ever coming to Xbox.

The games you mention have significant appeal in the west. Demon's Souls was relatively new idea at the time, Bloodborne was essentially more of that. I would classify them as action games.

Anyway, this is a wait and see thing. Their significance in Japan has decreased with their exit in the mobile market. They've virtually given up Japan centric games.

I dont really even care, I just have some thoughts. I dont feel we really need to explore this any further.



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DonFerrari said:
setsunatenshi said:

@bold: That opinion is based on what exactly? What do you mean by give up? Playstation is a global brand at this point, with strong support in every single region generation after generation, which is something the other competitors can't really claim.

About the funding of games in the "west" vs Japan, I mean, we do have examples like Bloodborne and Demon's Souls right? Not sure I would classify them as "action titles". I have no data to show they are investing more money in 3rd party deals in one area vs the other. One thing should be noted though, there is no competition from Microsoft in that market, which means every big budget game gets made for the PS4, with less than a 50% (guessing) chance of it ever coming to Xbox.

I have bowed out of the discussion. You can see the several replies and basically Sony is hoping for the best because they don't release majority of their games focusing exclusively on Japan, the global view and dominance of Sony with releases that interest everybody (and sure focusing their 1st party on games the 3rd parties aren't making) means they don't care about Japan and just hope to sell there with whatever is delivered by 3rd parties.

Basically it is another case of Sony dominating 3 gens by luck, hope and no merit.

Hah, a majority? Not really any at this point in spite of having success there. That seems to have died with Vita.

I didnt say their success is luck. Maybe resting on laurels in Japan though. Their western focus is impressive and MS's mistakes didnt hurt them either. Much like PS3 mistakes were good for 360.



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Mr Puggsly said:
setsunatenshi said:

@bold: That opinion is based on what exactly? What do you mean by give up? Playstation is a global brand at this point, with strong support in every single region generation after generation, which is something the other competitors can't really claim.

About the funding of games in the "west" vs Japan, I mean, we do have examples like Bloodborne and Demon's Souls right? Not sure I would classify them as "action titles". I have no data to show they are investing more money in 3rd party deals in one area vs the other. One thing should be noted though, there is no competition from Microsoft in that market, which means every big budget game gets made for the PS4, with less than a 50% (guessing) chance of it ever coming to Xbox.

The games you mention have significant appeal in the west. Demon's Souls was relatively new idea at the time, Bloodborne was essentially more of that. I would classify them as action games.

Anyway, this is a wait and see thing. Their significance in Japan has decreased with their exit in the mobile market. They've virtually given up Japan centric games.

I dont really even care, I just have some thoughts. I dont feel we really need to explore this any further.

I'm still quite confused with the  term "Japan centric games" you're using. Persona 5, Last Guardian, Street Fighter 5, several entries in the "souls" series, Final Fantasy VII Remake and also weird titles like Deracine (in cooperation with From Software again).

So yeah, it's normal that a company with such global representation will have titles that have global appeal, beyond the specific region where they are created. I don't see how this in any way bad.

If something, the Japanese market has moved more heavily towards mobile gaming, but that's a cultural shift and not necessarily representative of a lack of appealing games. Apparently when the strategy was one of catering to 2 audiences, things didn't go so well on the handheld space, although I still love my PSP and Vita till this day.



setsunatenshi said:
Mr Puggsly said:

The games you mention have significant appeal in the west. Demon's Souls was relatively new idea at the time, Bloodborne was essentially more of that. I would classify them as action games.

Anyway, this is a wait and see thing. Their significance in Japan has decreased with their exit in the mobile market. They've virtually given up Japan centric games.

I dont really even care, I just have some thoughts. I dont feel we really need to explore this any further.

I'm still quite confused with the  term "Japan centric games" you're using. Persona 5, Last Guardian, Street Fighter 5, several entries in the "souls" series, Final Fantasy VII Remake and also weird titles like Deracine (in cooperation with From Software again).

So yeah, it's normal that a company with such global representation will have titles that have global appeal, beyond the specific region where they are created. I don't see how this in any way bad.

If something, the Japanese market has moved more heavily towards mobile gaming, but that's a cultural shift and not necessarily representative of a lack of appealing games. Apparently when the strategy was one of catering to 2 audiences, things didn't go so well on the handheld space, although I still love my PSP and Vita till this day.

I see Sony as a western focused company. People say theyre global, but a vast majority of their world sales are in the west.

Much of their decisions seem to start with this question, "does the west want this?" And I think thats a logical strategy. But people get annoyed when I say their focus is primarily the west and they've leaned more into that over time. Other regions are more like an after thought but a nice bonus in comparison. That's my view.



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Mr Puggsly said:
setsunatenshi said:

I'm still quite confused with the  term "Japan centric games" you're using. Persona 5, Last Guardian, Street Fighter 5, several entries in the "souls" series, Final Fantasy VII Remake and also weird titles like Deracine (in cooperation with From Software again).

So yeah, it's normal that a company with such global representation will have titles that have global appeal, beyond the specific region where they are created. I don't see how this in any way bad.

If something, the Japanese market has moved more heavily towards mobile gaming, but that's a cultural shift and not necessarily representative of a lack of appealing games. Apparently when the strategy was one of catering to 2 audiences, things didn't go so well on the handheld space, although I still love my PSP and Vita till this day.

I see Sony as a western focused company. People say theyre global, but a vast majority of their world sales are in the west.

Much of their decisions seem to start with this question, "does the west want this?" And I think thats a logical strategy. But people get annoyed when I say their focus is primarily the west and they've leaned more into that over time. Other regions are more like an after thought but a nice bonus in comparison. That's my view.

The Western label is a bit too broad, if you really think about it, the US and European markets are quite different. Might be the reason why Xbox can't seem to make serious dents in the European market, but it's relatively competitive in the UK and US markets.

Just saying, there's a lot more nuance than your "West vs Japan" labels imply.



setsunatenshi said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I see Sony as a western focused company. People say theyre global, but a vast majority of their world sales are in the west.

Much of their decisions seem to start with this question, "does the west want this?" And I think thats a logical strategy. But people get annoyed when I say their focus is primarily the west and they've leaned more into that over time. Other regions are more like an after thought but a nice bonus in comparison. That's my view.

The Western label is a bit too broad, if you really think about it, the US and European markets are quite different. Might be the reason why Xbox can't seem to make serious dents in the European market, but it's relatively competitive in the UK and US markets.

Just saying, there's a lot more nuance than your "West vs Japan" labels imply.

I disagree, Europe's best selling games is pretty similar on Playstation and Xbox. MS has also had better success in Europe than it does at the moment. Again, I blame mistakes made early on with X1.



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Mr Puggsly said:
setsunatenshi said:

The Western label is a bit too broad, if you really think about it, the US and European markets are quite different. Might be the reason why Xbox can't seem to make serious dents in the European market, but it's relatively competitive in the UK and US markets.

Just saying, there's a lot more nuance than your "West vs Japan" labels imply.

I disagree, Europe's best selling games is pretty similar on Playstation and Xbox. MS has also had better success in Europe than it does at the moment. Again, I blame mistakes made early on with X1.

Microsoft shot themselves in the foot multiple times with X1 generation. They were patching a potential sinking ship when Phil Spencer took offer and they start adjusting course when they release Xbox One X at the time the PS4 based was already set it stone there were only minor gain to be made for Xbox. Microsoft will never compare to Sony brand in Japan. But, Europe, Americas & Rest of the world should be competitive.     



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