Bandorr said:
vivster said:
Looks like I completely misunderstood that word. So it actually means absolutely nothing and just is a fancy thing to say when a president was naughty.
So why is everyone talking about impeachment instead of removal of office? That's like constantly talking about going to the movies but never actually talking about the movies. This whole thing is a fucking circus. Which is quite fitting considering the president is a clown.
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Because no one has been removed. Ever. In the history of the US. Even Nixon wasn't removed. He may have been if he didn't resign but as of now - no one has been removed.
It also super pisses off Trump. Who will demand to have an actual trial. Which will not go well for him.
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Several federal judges have been successfully convicted after being impeached. All "federal officers," which includes members of the federal Judicial and Executive Branches, including the President, are subject to impeachment by Congress.
Nixon may or may not have been successfully convicted. Even after the Saturday Night Massacre and the "smoking gun" tapes, large swathes of conservative voters and conservative members of Congress still supported Nixon. Many still supported him even after he resigned. Up until the release of the smoking gun tapes, in fact, most of the public was opposed to impeachment. It would have come down to convincing 67 Senators that Nixon's crimes were worthy of the risk of getting voted out by angry conservatives.
In addition, 20 members of Congress have been expelled throughout history, most recently Jim Traficant (D-OH), who was expelled in 2002 for bribery, tax evasion, and racketeering. Expulsion is somewhat easier as it only involves the chamber of Congress the accused belongs to - the Senate is not involved in expulsion of House members, and vice versa, and the President is not involved in either process.
At the state level, a number of governors and judges have been convicted and removed. My own state successfully convicted a governor, Evan Mecham, in 1988, just a year after he was sworn in, on charges of obstruction of justice and misuse of public funds. He was not pardoned by the governor who succeeded him in accordance with Arizona's order of secession. Mecham and his brother were subsequently tried in criminal courts on six felony charges and acquitted in large part because their legal team refused to let them testify on the stand. Since the state Senate vote fell short of the two-thirds majority required to disqualify him from ever holding office again in Arizona, he tried to run for governor again in 1990, but was not successful. He also tried unsuccessfully to challenge McCain for his Senate seat.
In most cases, the person accused simply resigns before they can be impeached, as Nixon was. A resignation means a better chance of a pardon, lower chance of being referred for prosecution to begin with, plus no vote to disqualify from office.
Last edited by SanAndreasX - on 22 December 2019