SpokenTruth said: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman: "...in order to get the White House meeting, President Zelensky would have to deliver these investigations." Jennifer Williams: Gordon Sondland: “[We] worked with Mr. Rudy Giuliani on Ukraine matters at the express direction of the president of the United States.” "I know that members of this Committee have frequently framed these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a ‘quid pro quo? As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes.” "Mr. Giuliani’s requests were a quid pro quo for arranging a White House visit for President Zelensky. Mr. Giuliani demanded that Ukraine make a public statement announcing investigations of the 2016 election/DNC server and Burisma. Mr. Giuliani was expressing the desires of the President of the United States, and we knew that these investigations were important to the President." “Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret.” “They knew what we were doing and why.” "My lawyers and I have made multiple requests to the State Department and the White House for these materials. Yet, these materials were not provided to me. They have also refused to share these materials with this committee.” “Simply put, we played the hand we were dealt. We all understood that if we refused to work with Mr. Giuliani, we would lose an important opportunity to cement relations between the United States and Ukraine. So we followed the president’s orders.” “Ukrainians needed those funds to fight against Russian aggression. I tried diligently to ask why the aid was suspended, but I never received a clear answer.” “In the absence of any credible explanation for the suspension of aid, I later came to believe that the resumption of security aid would not occur until there was a public statement from Ukraine committing to the investigations of the 2016 election and Burisma, as Mr. Giuliani had demanded.” What you got, Snoopy? |
The first one was their star "witness," who actually witnessed nothing. The 2nd is their most credible witness, the only one who had any first hand interactions with Trump concerning this matter. Both of their arguments were torn to pieces.
AbrahamHamdan said:
ok... I've been longing to catch a republican... sir, do you know exactly what the president did? you do know he ask foreign country to investigate a political rival? and you know that illegal right? I need an answer sir. |
Well, if you want to believe the Dems argument that is completely based on presumptions and feelings, not evidence, you can believe in anything you want. However, if you just want to look at the actual evidence given, that never happened. The truth is, the Dems are scared to death about 2020. That's why, just one year out from an election where the people could vote him out if they believe this stuff happened, they are pursuing impeachment. They are afraid of 100s of thousands, maybe millions, of people like me, Never Trumpers who wouldn't vote for him in 2016, but will vote for him this time. And his growing support among Black Americans.